Emoji to Gain Expanded Racial Diversity With Skin Tone Modifier Option in Mid-2015

[ucfgrad93]

I hardly ever use emojis and when I do, I'm certainly not going to waste time trying to change the color of it.

 

[ricci]

Looks more like a choice of cookies!!! Munches #

 

[MacLC]

Where I spent part of my childhood, "emoji" was a word meaning "picture" + "character/letter".
Back there, all emoji were "white". Coming back here and getting introduced to AIM, all emoji were "yellow" smileys.

Nobody ever noticed. Nobody commented. Nobody minded. The real racists are those people who take offense at lack of diversity. They are the only ones demanding emoji be chosen based on race.

Next up, people will demand Japanese cake emoji have the option for chocolate cake. Right now all our/their cake emoji are white. How racist

 

[steve333]

Great. So you think black children should use white symbols to represent their race. Thank you.

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Yellow skin?

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Wow so you think black people shouldn't use the emoji symbols that show people?

Is that because you think only white people should be allowed to have emoji symbols?

Do you also believe black people to be inferior to yourself?

You have serious issues. Seek help

 

[MacLC]

How is a YELLOW smiley face representing white people? Tell me, what races do these smilies represent:



I don't know why race has to be dragged into absolutely everything... Emoticons representing a certain race never ever crossed my mind till I read this article.

Between my grown siblings, my parents, and even their siblings, every marriage was mixed nationality. Everybody looked different from our neighbors and nobody noticed. My best friends in the US are also of different backgrounds.

So I was visiting some friends in San Francisco and we were hanging out with some of their friends and this very issue came up. I brought up the exact point you did.

They accused me of being racist. These monoracial people who only ever had monoracial relationships accused me of being racist for not supporting multi-racial emoji.

Sadly a lot of these people pollute the West Coast with their hypocritical idiocy and sadly a lot of that rubs off in software used around the world.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Race to the lowest circle of the culturally correct inferno.

Now where is my mauve, trans-species, bi-polar Emoji.

 

[blacktape242]

Some people think it's stupid because they believe only white people should be represented in the world.

We call those people "racist".

The best part is that they don't know it.

people that throw around the race card all the time are usually the ones more racist.... makes sense doesn't it.

 

[DaveN]

White emoticon on white background should work really well.

I know. That is why I put the wink at the end.

 

[Tough Guy]

Nope, it is people like you that seem a little......I think you can finish that sentence.

Spit it out and say what you want to say. Don't be weak and cowardly. If you have an opinion, you should have the guts to express it.

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He wouldnt be too far off about that.. Wasn't it the white conservatives in the southern states that supporyed slavery?

It was all of humanity that supported slavery, including black and brown and every other color of the rainbow. Slavery still exists. And let's not even get into the caste system in asia. Does that make all Indians vile racists and bigots?

And the American southern slavery supporters were Democrats, by the way. There's a little free American history lesson for you.

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Your black cat has an emoji. Offering one with a wheelchair would be nice for people in wheelchairs. And you wouldn't be forced to use either, but you would be free to. Your 'joke' pointing to being a victim of PC overlords is an illusion used as a cover for personal power issues.

He or she is (successfully) making fun of you and your type. Get over yourself. You are the ones whining and sobbing about stupid yellow emojis. The rest of us are laughing at you.

 

[flyinmac]

Because typically in cases like this where race gets inclusion, white people are the ones to note that other races were never excluded. It's not about exclusion at all, it's about choice. You'll rarely see a person of color say, "oh no, not more chances to represent myself and how I feel". But you will see a person of a majority race complaining about the creation of choice because they can't discern the difference between choice and exclusion. They think because options are now given, the minority race must have felt excluded.

And just to note, I'm sure there are many white people who aren't complaining or don't care. And I'm sure there are people of color who may complain or don't care. But if you read upthread there's already a couple of "well where's the white one" comments already. And the majority of comments in any race post on MacRumors shows how uneducated most are in the matter.

Yellow is closer in skin tone to lighter skinned people than it is to darker skinned ones. Some may feel they don't have an equal representation. There's nothing wrong with variation. It's not like the standard yellow will be gone and you can't use it anymore. If more options makes someone else happier, why are you against it?

That being said, I don't care about this either way. If it makes other people happy, cool. I don't use emoticons.

I think you miss the point. It's not that white people are complaining that there needs to be a white emoji icon. They're simply pointing out the ridiculousness of creating a racial separation where none is needed.

See, it's funny how one can take a perspective that there needs to be a brown icon, while simultaneously claiming that those who want white icons are racist.

The entire proposal of colored skin based emojis is racist in itself.

If we believe in equality, and that all men and women are created equal, then explain to me how skin colored emojis further the cause of color neutrality.

Further, as emojis are a Japanese creation, it could be assumed that it was not meant to favor white people or people of any color.

For those who seem bent on making this about racial equality, perhaps you should think about the emoji name being favorable to one nationality who is neither African or American or White, or anything else being dragged into this ridiculous argument.

Simply put, it is not racist to be color neutral. But it is racist to deliberately inject color representation that is meant to depict race.

We are all people with emotions. When an African American smiles, are you saying it means something different from when a white person smiles? Think carefully, your answer could be taken as racist if you answer anything other than no.

Gender and race neutral emojis would be best. Expanding them to create racial depictions defeats the very purpose of racial neutrality that we have spent decades fighting for.

 

[taptic]

Wow so you think black people shouldn't use the emoji symbols that show people?

Is that because you think only white people should be allowed to have emoji symbols?

Do you also believe black people to be inferior to yourself?

I do not think any race is inferior to another.

However, if other people don't like the emojis they don't have to use them. It was their choice to buy the phone that didn't have the absolute perfect emojis. Besides, there are a number of emoji apps on the App Store. I'm sure one of them has more skin tones of someone is dying to have them.

Now, I don't think making more skin tone emojis will create a problem, I just don't think it'll fix a huge one either...

 

[Renzatic]

Now where is my mauve, trans-species, bi-polar Emoji.

 

[flyinmac]

He wouldnt be too far off about that.. Wasn't it the white conservatives in the southern states that supporyed slavery?

You need to re read your history. Perhaps you didn't realize that it was commonly African ships and Africans bringing African slaves to sell in America.

Also, there were large numbers of freed African Americans fighting along side the Confederated soldiers to preserve the Southern Confederate States and their lifestyle in the civil war against the northern states.

It's not as cut and dried as you try to paint it.

But, I suspect you'd rather continue on a racial bias.

See, the skin toned emoji is already serving its purpose to divide and segregate and undo decades and centuries of progress toward racial neutrality.

 

[flyinmac]

Typical white 'humor' that misses the point entirely. In addition to a standard yellow emoji, there are also scores of caucasian ones, and now they are expanding the color range available to people. And you make fun of the situation with ha ha claims of white victim in distress. What a brilliant addition to the subject.

Or being overly sensitive, you miss the point that the whole proposal is ridiculous and racist by design and someone was using an equally ridiculous illustration to point that out.

 

[Renzatic]

You need to re read your history. Perhaps you didn't realize that it was commonly African ships and Africans bringing African slaves to sell in America.

Africans traded other Africans as slaves, but it was European ships that brought them over. Commonly French or Spanish, with a few British ships thrown in for good measure.

Also, there were large numbers of freed African Americans fighting along side the Confederated soldiers to preserve the Southern Confederate States and their lifestyle in the civil war against the northern states.

This is only very slightly true. Free blacks and slaves weren't allowed to join the Confederate army until early 1865...

...about three weeks before the war ended.

 

[eyehop]

I think you miss the point. It's not that white people are complaining that there needs to be a white emoji icon. They're simply pointing out the ridiculousness of creating a racial separation where none is needed.

The current emojis are caucasian, so the racial separation has already occurred.

See, it's funny how one can take a perspective that there needs to be a brown icon, while simultaneously claiming that those who want white icons are racist.

The current emojis are caucasian.

The entire proposal of colored skin based emojis is racist in itself.

The current situation of only having caucasian emojis is racist in itself.

If we believe in equality, and that all men and women are created equal, then explain to me how skin colored emojis further the cause of color neutrality.

Color diversity is simply reality, and providing a range of color is therefore neutral. Caucasian emojis are not neutral.

Further, as emojis are a Japanese creation, it could be assumed that it was not meant to favor white people or people of any color.

Emojis favor all light skinned people due to its origins in Japan. It is now an international icon set.

For those who seem bent on making this about racial equality, perhaps you should think about the emoji name being favorable to one nationality who is neither African or American or White, or anything else being dragged into this ridiculous argument.

Black and brown people want emojis with black and brown skin! OMG How ridiculous is that?!?

Simply put, it is not racist to be color neutral. But it is racist to deliberately inject color representation that is meant to depict race.

Caucasian colored emojis are not color neutral. The most color neutral color would be black, since black is the combination of all color, or absence of all color, depending on the presentation medium.

We are all people with emotions. When an African American smiles, are you saying it means something different from when a white person smiles? Think carefully, your answer could be taken as racist if you answer anything other than no.

When an African American uses a black emoji, it could be taken as an African American using a black emoji. Think carefully, it's painfully a non-issue.

Gender and race neutral emojis would be best. Expanding them to create racial depictions defeats the very purpose of racial neutrality that we have spent decades fighting for.

The emoji people have spent decades making caucasian emojis, and now we will spend a few hours adding various skin tones to reflect emoji users. And you're fighting for what? Color-blindness? How does adding color options to all the human faces and body parts available create racism? Twisted logic. Pretending something doesn't exist does not make it so, so let it exist, in full color.

 

[bpeeps]

I think you miss the point. It's not that white people are complaining that there needs to be a white emoji icon. They're simply pointing out the ridiculousness of creating a racial separation where none is needed.

See, it's funny how one can take a perspective that there needs to be a brown icon, while simultaneously claiming that those who want white icons are racist.

The entire proposal of colored skin based emojis is racist in itself.

If we believe in equality, and that all men and women are created equal, then explain to me how skin colored emojis further the cause of color neutrality.

Further, as emojis are a Japanese creation, it could be assumed that it was not meant to favor white people or people of any color.

For those who seem bent on making this about racial equality, perhaps you should think about the emoji name being favorable to one nationality who is neither African or American or White, or anything else being dragged into this ridiculous argument.

Simply put, it is not racist to be color neutral. But it is racist to deliberately inject color representation that is meant to depict race.

We are all people with emotions. When an African American smiles, are you saying it means something different from when a white person smiles? Think carefully, your answer could be taken as racist if you answer anything other than no.

The emojis that are being supplemented with different skin tones are the white ones, this MacRumors' article is extremely misleading and suggests that it is the yellow emojis they are adding additional skin tones to. But that is incorrect. They are supplementing the current pale skinned emojis with additional skin tones. So now, a person of color has the choice to use a yellow emoji or a dark skinned one, instead of just yellow and white.

Gender and race neutral emojis would be best. Expanding them to create racial depictions defeats the very purpose of racial neutrality that we have spent decades fighting for.

Your logic is incorrect here. History has excluded the minority race from having choice. Inclusion of choice currently corrects what was wrong. It does not negate racial neutrality. Gender and race neutral emojis might be best, but in order for that to happen, Apple would have to remove the white emojis.

 

[TechGod]

Spit it out and say what you want to say. Don't be weak and cowardly. If you have an opinion, you should have the guts to express it.

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It was all of humanity that supported slavery, including black and brown and every other color of the rainbow. Slavery still exists. And let's not even get into the caste system in asia. Does that make all Indians vile racists and bigots?

And the American southern slavery supporters were Democrats, by the way. There's a little free American history lesson for you.

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He or she is (successfully) making fun of you and your type. Get over yourself. You are the ones whining and sobbing about stupid yellow emojis. The rest of us are laughing at you.

If I finish that sentence I risk a ban
Also yep pretty much to the second one. My parents are Indian and by extension as am I. Can't say I'm proud of what India is at all. Glad i don't live there(was bought up in NZ since the age of 2) is my only comment about it. Also no....I don't think the blacks supported slavery...

 

[Bubba Satori]

Race to the lowest circle of the culturally correct inferno.

Now where is my mauve, trans-species, bi-polar Emoji.

Brilliant!

 

[bpeeps]

All I see are boxes, boxes and more boxes with a black hand, and one with a white hand. All emoji I ever see is yellow. Neutral, that's the point. It's inclusive because it's nobody. If you pasted white emoji, then you assume I'm white. So by your comments, one could assume you're black, so I could go find black emoji and post it here. It voids your point.

I don't want white emoji, I don't want black emoji or tan, or whatever. Just keep it freak'n yellow for everything. No options. HAIL THE MOTHERLAND!

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I'm just going to stop commenting on this one. This is just flat out racist. If you can't see that, well, no one can help you on that one.

The emojis they posted and the ones the article is actually referencing are white. The different skin tones are to supplement the white ones, not the yellow ones. This article is so misleading.

 

[ttmrn]

lol.now that's funny.

 

[TechGod]

You need to re read your history. Perhaps you didn't realize that it was commonly African ships and Africans bringing African slaves to sell in America.

Also, there were large numbers of freed African Americans fighting along side the Confederated soldiers to preserve the Southern Confederate States and their lifestyle in the civil war against the northern states.

It's not as cut and dried as you try to paint it.

But, I suspect you'd rather continue on a racial bias.

See, the skin toned emoji is already serving its purpose to divide and segregate and undo decades and centuries of progress toward racial neutrality.

Look no further than Ferguson to see "progress towards racial neutrality"

 

[Altis]

The emojis they posted and the ones the article is actually referencing are white. The different skin tones are to supplement the white ones, not the yellow ones. This article is so misleading.

That makes a great deal more sense.

Although, I had no idea anyone used those other ones. They don't seem to be useful because they aren't an emotion, unlike the yellow ones which are exclusively an emotion.

 

[steve333]

The current emojis are caucasian, so the racial separation has already occurred.


The current emojis are caucasian.


The current situation of only having caucasian emojis is racist in itself.



Color diversity is simply reality, and providing a range of color is therefore neutral. Caucasian emojis are not neutral.


Emojis favor all light skinned people due to its origins in Japan. It is now an international icon set.


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So now you're saying that the Japanese are caucasian?

 

[flyinmac]

So now you're saying that the Japanese are caucasian?

That would appear to be his statement. Bet there's tons of Japanese people who would disagree with that while also stating that they don't feel insulted by emojis.