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engadget 17" unibody matte mbp hands-on
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Why does no one ever mention the amount of light needed for a glossy screen to overcome the glare? That's why I got rid of my glossy screen on my Unibody. I always get dried out eyes and a headache after a short period with brightness so high. With matte, first brightness works in almost all settings.
While I am indifferent to the glass model, I prefer matte...and to be truly fair in that comparison shot, they should have them both on so you can see what they look like side-by-side under normal conditions. Not many people use their computers asleep or off! 
I bought 4 glossy ones and 8 matte ones, (business purposes) although i admit none of the matte ones are for me ha ha ha
John Ive is my God and he prefers Glossy so i guess i just have to blindly follow him.What are you talking about. I love the Silver with black lining. It's like a lady in a black dress with a nice silver coat on... teasing you ever so slightly.
Also, here's the final argument to the matte vs gloss finish:
Done and done. People who like gloss like the fact that it's clean and sharp, whilst people who like matte are people who don't want reflections in their face.
To be frank, I have owned both glossy and matte computers, whilst glossy does look sexier and feels modern.. colors pop out more and there seems to be an artificial sheet of perfection lying in between, matte is gives the screen a more humble, realistic look. So no more arguing okay? I just hope Apple decides to make the same aluminum matte cover for the MBP 15, then i'd sell my MBP and BUY THAT ONE YEEEEAAAHHH
I'm tired of arguing as well but I find the opposite from you comment. Ever since led backlighting was introduced I find that by looking closer at the displays on both matte and glossy led backlit screens that I find the matte to look sharper.
I noticed this by looking at high resolution photos up close where the glossy seems to be slightly blurred in details (maybe the layer oversaturated some colors?). But I find the matte to be actually sharper but glossy does indeed has the more "pop" look.
Couldnt agree more, its funny how when people compare matte vs glossy the screens are always.....off. Or the glossy has its backlight turned way down.
Where would I check that? In the about profiler, just says:
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M:
Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
Type: Display
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0863
Revision ID: 0x00b1
ROM Revision: 3383
gMux Version: 1.7.3
Displays:
Color LCD:
Resolution: 1920 x 1200
Depth: 32-Bit Color
Core Image: Hardware Accelerated
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Built-In: Yes
Display Connector:
Status: No Display Connected
I asked you to define pro because I wanted to know what a pro was in your mind. There are other professions in the world that rely on computers other than graphics.
You may know what a periodontist does, but do you know what all his tools are called? How he uses them? Why he prefers one to another? Can you speak for periodontists? No, you can't.
And you are hardly presenting facts. I work with color all day and I like glossy screens as much as matte. There are a couple of other people that you call "pros" in this very thread who are telling you they like glossy. CRTs were glass and people bitched when they had to switch to LCD now they are bitching on the way back to glass. If you calibrate it a glass screen's color is as accurate as a matte. That is an actual fact, my friend. Thank you and goodnight!
First. Some zealots will get nasty, but I am brave so I post this link:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/646144/
as an answer to those saying "you can hardly see any reflection". That's my desk on the right side of a window.
Second. Why on this site "professional" stands for "graphic designer" or "photographer"? Is there anyone who wants to and can give me an answer? Because in every discussion "professional" is always associated to graphics-related jobs.
thistle
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/646144/
as an answer to those saying "you can hardly see any reflection". That's my desk on the right side of a window.
Second. Why on this site "professional" stands for "graphic designer" or "photographer"? Is there anyone who wants to and can give me an answer? Because in every discussion "professional" is always associated to graphics-related jobs.
thistle
so would the fact that during the ordering process there was never an image showing the silver bezel for the anti-glare version of the screen be grounds for false advertising? all images of the new umbp showed the black bezel. i am personally bothered by this.
There is, but hidden.
Click on the gallery (under nVidia) in this page:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features-17inch.html
May be they have hidden it because they are ashamed of producing the matte version.
- thistle
I completely agree. Thats the first thing I noticed about it and I was like "hmm..something is different". Finally checked the website and you're right, no mention of that bezel. I personally don't like it and would've been peeved if I ordered it.
YMMV, but to me this is much better than glossy.
Generally, I get irritated by smallish reflections on the screen. On glossy, even small change of light/shadow is perfectly visible. If your work requires you look intently at screen (e.g. code/text review, data analysis), then with glossy your brain gets fried within few hours. And it gets only worse on dark background which is standard for such kind of work (light background burns eyes too fast).
All matte does is smoothing the effect of such small changes happening in background.
No, it still doesn't help to work e.g. in shadow of a tree on a windy day. Some minutes later your eyes would be seeing only halos of constantly moving leaf shadows - instead of screen content.
It does indeed looks uglier than black bezel. Yet, canceling MBP order based solely on the bezel's color is silly. After all, it looks much like previous MBP/PB design.
In my experience, at first I would be noticing the bezel. Few days later I would get used to it and forget about its color. E.g. I do not look much at gray bezel of screen on my PB12". Moment ago, I had to actually open it to check that it is gray (like rest of the laptop).
What company would buy $3000 laptops for their employees when all you can do those laptops can also be done on cheaper ones? There's no business case for buying Apple laptops unless of course you're developing software for OS X...
In my eyes Apple computers are for consumers. I see them at work, but only with freelancers who have too much money to spend anway.
A graphic design company.
A photography company.
A database design company.
A programming company.
A game design company.
Shall i go on?
Theres things i do on mine in my company that cant be done on any cheaper laptop.
Infact theres NO laptop cheaper than this with the same spec. Not 1.
It should actually be the opposite. You don't get glare unless there's another light source, and if the room is dark, the only light source is going to be the light reflected off you (originating from the screen), and light reflected from your body will be far weaker than the screen itself. I believe jjahshik32's photo is more representative of the type of reflection you'd see during the day in a decently lit room.
A matte screen will always be easier to look at in bright conditions. It's just really basic high-school level physics that isn't even up for discussion. With all things being equal, a matte surface will reflect just as much light as a glossy surface, so there's no advantage there. It's just that the light is scattered in different directions when it's reflected off the matte surface, so you won't see defined images from the reflection. That's what people find distracting, so matte screens do work.
Having said that, all things AREN'T all equal, and the plastic of the matte screen probably transmits less light through it as well, so not only does the matte surface scatter the light it reflects (great
), but it appears to transmit less light through it, making it appear a bit darker (not great ). This won't be significant though. Also, the image from a matte screen won't appear as sharp because the light transmitting through the matte surface of the plastic screen will also scatter a bit. At such high resolutions, this may be significant. I prefer the matte because it'll cause less long-term eye-strain. I think that's what should be of greatest concern.
Like encoding movies in handbrake on the move as quick as possible which requires the 2.93 processor to get it done asap.
Like C++, C# and Coconut coding which requires a 17" screen so you can have your coding window and debugging window open on the same screen.
Like graphic design which requires me to have lots of palettes open at once that simply dont fit on a 15" screen.
Like editing HD video which generally works out best on a full HD screen like this one.
Using the firewire 800 to connect to 4 daisy chained 1TB external hard drives to store my coding work as quickly as possible
Yes, there are Windows computers that can provide me with all this, but not as cheap as this 17' Macbook Pro.
Plus i want to run OS X without having to hackintosh.
A Lenovo W500 is much cheaper and can do those things, while a W700 can be around the same price. You also have an option for quad-core if you really need the speed, as long as you spend a bit more money. Also, look at THIS 17" MBP REVIEW'S performance summary. A Dell was 3 times faster than the new 17" MBP (2.66 GHz processor, 4 GB of RAM) at transcoding a 2-minute-and-17-second MPEG-4 clip. The 16" Dell took 45 seconds, while the 17" MBP took around 2 minutes and 20 seconds.
I'd personally never get any 17" laptop other than the 17" MBP, because we probably both agree that it's a nice laptop. However, I don't agree with the claim that you can't do the things you listed on 17" laptops from other companies.
I'd personally never get any 17" laptop other than the 17" MBP, because we probably both agree that it's a nice laptop. However, I don't agree with the claim that you can't do the things you listed on 17" laptops from other companies.
Apple > System Preferences > Displays > Color Tab > click Open Profile button
Scroll down to # 13 'mmod' and select it. You'll see the model right there.
Here's a screen cap of mine.
Apparently we'd have to boot from Windows to determine the manufacturer of it. My guess is LG seeing that Apple just signed into a long term agreement with them.
