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Eninem's Publisher Sues Apple
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Re: Re: Re: I'm waiting
Dreaming, why are you so eletist? How do you assume to speak for 'respectable musicians'?
The bottom line is that rap contains elements (rhythm, pitch, etc.) that qualify it as music. If you or others can't see that, then you are unable to distinguish your opinion from fact, concerning the genre. And ummm, both vocalist and instrumentalist are present on this and most other rap songs. Duh.
If its bad music in your opinion, that's fine. Lots of it is bad music in my opinion. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
I'm out of my league. Oooooh. What league would that be? The intellectual discussion of ideas league? It seems to me that to be in that league at all, openmindedness is a prerequisite. Are you in that league?
I won't try and tell you anything else because its a waste of time.
Dreaming, why are you so eletist? How do you assume to speak for 'respectable musicians'?
The bottom line is that rap contains elements (rhythm, pitch, etc.) that qualify it as music. If you or others can't see that, then you are unable to distinguish your opinion from fact, concerning the genre. And ummm, both vocalist and instrumentalist are present on this and most other rap songs. Duh.
If its bad music in your opinion, that's fine. Lots of it is bad music in my opinion. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
I'm out of my league. Oooooh. What league would that be? The intellectual discussion of ideas league? It seems to me that to be in that league at all, openmindedness is a prerequisite. Are you in that league?
I won't try and tell you anything else because its a waste of time.
Its obvious
When I saw this topic I knew it would be people who like rap, versus those who don't.
Lets not forget that Mac Users include people who listen to rap almost exclusively like me. And also every Mac user is not a middle-aged suburban rock listener.
That being said, I feel some of my fellow Mac users who visit this site are now against me. And some are with me. I don't want to choose sides. We are all here united as Mac Users!😉
Be cool.
When I saw this topic I knew it would be people who like rap, versus those who don't.
Lets not forget that Mac Users include people who listen to rap almost exclusively like me. And also every Mac user is not a middle-aged suburban rock listener.
That being said, I feel some of my fellow Mac users who visit this site are now against me. And some are with me. I don't want to choose sides. We are all here united as Mac Users!😉
Be cool.
After reading the full compliant on MacMinute, it appears that Em is seeking roughly $75,000. I see no reason for Apple to NOT settle if indeed it's only $75,000. Heck, even 10x that would be worth considering.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm waiting
Stevie Wonder's a synthetic artist? Yeah, right. Pull the other one.
Seems to me that you're allowing your eyes (among other things) to interfere with what your ears are hearing. Tools are tools; what's important is what comes out, and not how it gets out.
Stevie Wonder's a synthetic artist? Yeah, right. Pull the other one.
Seems to me that you're allowing your eyes (among other things) to interfere with what your ears are hearing. Tools are tools; what's important is what comes out, and not how it gets out.
Well, after seeing that they asked for permission, got turned down, and went ahead anyway, I really don't think you need to go any further. There's clearly grounds for a suit here.
rspress
macrumors member
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm waiting
I agree that if I went to a concert and the band or lack thereof just sang to prerecorded music I too would walk out.
However, the use of synthesizers in music does not make synthetic music. I remember several groups that proudly put on their albums "No Synthesizers!" but used so many effects on Guitars, Basses, Drums and Vocals that they were doing the same thing that a synthesizer does. A synthesizer affects the tone generated by the waveform generator through various filters to generate different sounds. The same thing a Guitar (waveform generator) does when plugged into effects pedals (filters).
Todays amplifiers do the same thing, using processors to model amps. The fender cybertwin is a good example. Of course I don't have much use for music purists, they are usually people who can't make their own music or try to elevate themselves on the shoulders of others. They are usually pretty boring to be around as well.
I agree that if I went to a concert and the band or lack thereof just sang to prerecorded music I too would walk out.
However, the use of synthesizers in music does not make synthetic music. I remember several groups that proudly put on their albums "No Synthesizers!" but used so many effects on Guitars, Basses, Drums and Vocals that they were doing the same thing that a synthesizer does. A synthesizer affects the tone generated by the waveform generator through various filters to generate different sounds. The same thing a Guitar (waveform generator) does when plugged into effects pedals (filters).
Todays amplifiers do the same thing, using processors to model amps. The fender cybertwin is a good example. Of course I don't have much use for music purists, they are usually people who can't make their own music or try to elevate themselves on the shoulders of others. They are usually pretty boring to be around as well.
Les Kern
macrumors 68040
If true Apple did a dum-dum. I would submit, though, that instead of Slim being the torch-bearer of teenaged angst and urban/social issues, he has shown his true colors: businessman first, rebel/poet last. Way last. Let him win, and then drop him in the dustbin with the countless has-beens.
rspress
macrumors member
Maybe he will give it to his mom to buy drugs with. Just as long as he does not spend it on making another movie!
Speaking of that, if someone wanted to go through his movie frame by frame and see if there are any images of Macs in it maybe Apple could sue him for using the image of Macs without their permission. Of course someone would have to sit through every frame of the film. This might be a good punishment for the terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, it would certainly teach them not to mess with the United States anymore! Of course Amnesty International would find out and we would really be in trouble then. 😀
a bit of regret
My response was entirely my opinion. I never claimed it was fact. I have different expectations and definitions for what I feel qualifies as music. Music is a highly subjective term... as we have seen. The one prerequisite is that it must be pleasant for the listener; this is where my opinion came in. I also never claimed to be an elitist. I do however have two qualifications for backing my opinions: I'm a guitar player, and an audiophile. Does this make my opinion more valid than the next guys? -Of course not... just possibly more passionate. If I came across as arrogant in my posts, it's probably because of my heartfelt position on this argument. Often the downside to being passionate is that you can easily leap into becoming overly passionate. For this, I apologize. In fact, I did some thinking on the subject and I feel I understand the opposing argument. All of these terms thrown around can be used arbitrarily to leverage any position. I used them in such a way as to define my belief but I am also not too stubborn to admit that I also understand where everyone else is coming from. After much consideration, I feel my definition of music was too constrained. Such an antiquated definition of music, doesnt allow for theory, or creativity to evolve. In a more honest and less heated statement, I can see how my belief didnt allow for the greatest potential for expression. I do genuinely believe this, but I also have an illness for playing devils advocate.
My response was entirely my opinion. I never claimed it was fact. I have different expectations and definitions for what I feel qualifies as music. Music is a highly subjective term... as we have seen. The one prerequisite is that it must be pleasant for the listener; this is where my opinion came in. I also never claimed to be an elitist. I do however have two qualifications for backing my opinions: I'm a guitar player, and an audiophile. Does this make my opinion more valid than the next guys? -Of course not... just possibly more passionate. If I came across as arrogant in my posts, it's probably because of my heartfelt position on this argument. Often the downside to being passionate is that you can easily leap into becoming overly passionate. For this, I apologize. In fact, I did some thinking on the subject and I feel I understand the opposing argument. All of these terms thrown around can be used arbitrarily to leverage any position. I used them in such a way as to define my belief but I am also not too stubborn to admit that I also understand where everyone else is coming from. After much consideration, I feel my definition of music was too constrained. Such an antiquated definition of music, doesnt allow for theory, or creativity to evolve. In a more honest and less heated statement, I can see how my belief didnt allow for the greatest potential for expression. I do genuinely believe this, but I also have an illness for playing devils advocate.
Counterfit
macrumors G3
Re: a bit of regret
And it's so nice to see people taking my pervious advice 🙄
Well, considering he meant it as an insult (as most people do), I wouldn't expect you to call yourself one...
And it's so nice to see people taking my pervious advice 🙄
Contest to settle this Flame?
Dudes & Dudettes, to settle this flame out, why not have a GarageBand duel?
Post the tracks on special new discussion devote to the fact that you folks love to hate one aother's tunes, and let MacForum members vote!
😀
Dudes & Dudettes, to settle this flame out, why not have a GarageBand duel?
Post the tracks on special new discussion devote to the fact that you folks love to hate one aother's tunes, and let MacForum members vote!
😀
Um, not sure if this has been raised already.....
But the date of the copyright registration is October 2003 but the alleged infringement is sited from May 2003 to September....
Can you still sue for damages for a period of infringment prior to registration?
A crafty lawyer could probably argue that in the grand scheme the label did not consider it of significant value until they saw the mistake that Apple made then thought "We can make some money here"...suddenly the lyrics become the most sacred corporate assets since the Dead Sea Scrolls....
If I were Apple i'd kick Eninem off iTunes (It not like Apple make any money of the service anyway) then probably do an outragously disrespectful parody of this very lawsuit and then
as a final act of Corporate revenge torch his offices and have him bumped off Soprano's style......I guess that's why i'm not worth $4 billion 🙂
(I jest with that last comment.....don't want the FBI/ECHELON computers flagging this post for further investigation...hehe)
But the date of the copyright registration is October 2003 but the alleged infringement is sited from May 2003 to September....
Can you still sue for damages for a period of infringment prior to registration?
A crafty lawyer could probably argue that in the grand scheme the label did not consider it of significant value until they saw the mistake that Apple made then thought "We can make some money here"...suddenly the lyrics become the most sacred corporate assets since the Dead Sea Scrolls....
If I were Apple i'd kick Eninem off iTunes (It not like Apple make any money of the service anyway) then probably do an outragously disrespectful parody of this very lawsuit and then
as a final act of Corporate revenge torch his offices and have him bumped off Soprano's style......I guess that's why i'm not worth $4 billion 🙂
(I jest with that last comment.....don't want the FBI/ECHELON computers flagging this post for further investigation...hehe)
junior
macrumors 6502a
Yes, it's been mentioned a hundred times already.
And your other point regarding dropping Eminem from ITMS, that would totally piss off the record company and Apple would be screwed if the record company decided to drop Apple and go with another service. Not only will they loose many other artists, they will end up getting a very bad reputation amongst record companies.
I was mirroring your "strong opinion proclaimed as fact/truth" statement simply hoping you'd be aware of how it came across to me. It's one of those things I find "offensive", like my feedback appears to have been to you? 😉 Nothing personal (heck, I don't even know you)... just felt like nitpicking that one particular statement to keep ya honest. 😀 Sorry for any disturbance.
Right now I don't believe anyone/anything in particular since this isn't the sort of thing I put (much) energy into speculating about. There's already more than enough of that to go around.
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
Re: Re: a bit of regret
I know you and The Dreaming went round and round for a few pages but I don't think those remarks are warrented. The Dreaming showed character in his last post and, IMO, was sincere<sp?> in what he said. If someone apologizes and admits they were wrong I think it's poor form to take another shot at them like that.
Les Kern,
Interesting perspective you have. Most people cry "sell-out" when an artist lets corporate america use his music. But you think MM is a sell-out because he's not letting corporate america use his music (lyrcis)? I don't think excercising<sp?> your rights regarding who can and cannot use your property (and in what ways they can and cannot use it) automatically brands you a businessman.
Lethal
I know you and The Dreaming went round and round for a few pages but I don't think those remarks are warrented. The Dreaming showed character in his last post and, IMO, was sincere<sp?> in what he said. If someone apologizes and admits they were wrong I think it's poor form to take another shot at them like that.
Les Kern,
Interesting perspective you have. Most people cry "sell-out" when an artist lets corporate america use his music. But you think MM is a sell-out because he's not letting corporate america use his music (lyrcis)? I don't think excercising<sp?> your rights regarding who can and cannot use your property (and in what ways they can and cannot use it) automatically brands you a businessman.
Lethal
Re: Re: Re: a bit of regret
Gotta agree here - I was pretty against some of The Dreaming's comments as well, and challenged him on a couple points as well, however I appreciate his last post - he was man enough to admit he made a few incorrect comments in haste, and after reading some other posts, he realized he was being a little irrational in some of his comments. I respect tthat, and am not going to comment on any more of his posts.
Gotta agree here - I was pretty against some of The Dreaming's comments as well, and challenged him on a couple points as well, however I appreciate his last post - he was man enough to admit he made a few incorrect comments in haste, and after reading some other posts, he realized he was being a little irrational in some of his comments. I respect tthat, and am not going to comment on any more of his posts.
