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Because Microsoft launched a touchscreen
Lumia range starting in 2010 & no developer made big apps because of its low market share
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Because Microsoft launched a touchscreen
Lumia range starting in 2010 & no developer made big apps because of its low market share
Not true because Microsoft launched smartphones and they couldn’t get big developers to produce apps for it
I don’t think they can or will refuse them once the appeal is done. But they can argue right now that letting them back on, only to have to remove them when the guidelines change later on because they are once again acting in bad faith, is reason enough to wait until the current complaint is settled.
Even this most recent move, in which Epic used a foreign subsidiary to submit the app, instead of simply asking Apple for their US account to be reinstated (now that they are willing to comply with the guidelines), is arguably an act in bad faith. I really don’t think the judge is going to be impressed.
Incorrect. It wasn’t as trendy an iPhone and android was established. Windows couldn’t get a foothold.
Obviously the entire question about the appeal is going to be interesting. It could go in any direction and I wouldn’t count any chicken just yet.
I would as an example say Steve Jobs is a good example where he did not care for the consumer. He did what he believed was the best product/ idea irrespective what best for consumers.
We absolutely do. Manipulating consumers isn’t a bad thing inherently. stores does this all the time. Apple does this as well with utmost expertise such as The Endowment Effect, Loss Aversion, and Status Quo Bias etc
Reading the internal documents we know it’s was heavily introduced as a moral conviction, not a business conviction.
Don’t mistake wanting what’s best for the consumer with actually doing what’s best for them. As well as doing what’s good for the bottomline and consumers.
Apple taking a zero fee on the AppStore or minimize their margins would be in the best interest of the consumers. More iPhones will be in their hands, and developers keeping 100% would make the iOS device even more powerful in pulling the best developers from competitors etc etc
Well that’s strange because then Microsoft are a small company and they produced touchscreen devices and made their own OS
But still couldn’t compete with both platforms
So if Microsoft being a small company couldn’t compete then what chance does a big company have competing in mobile in the west
A company is under no obligation to do what’s best for consumers. I’m not talking illegalities here. BlackBerry is an example. If Apple didn’t take the consumer into consideration they would end up like blackberry. The consumer is the ultimate arbiter and they voted with their $$$.
If it’s your opinion that people are inherently stupid, that’s going to be hard to change. It’s been posited on MR as long as I’ve been a member.
That’s why it had nothing to do with consumers and was a bad, bad, bad analogy.
If these diverge Apple will end up like blackberry. Unlike what was posited above, consumers aren’t stupid.
No it won’t.
No it won’t. It will reduce the value of the ecosystem.
Compete is relative. Blackberry was established and they couldn’t compete with the iPhone. They had a successful ecosystem. Its Not my job to tell Microsoft their business was plan was flawed.
Well..
The developer pays 99$ a year.
And requires a Mac to do their development as well so.. that’s an extra 500-1000$ for every developer ( unless you can rent MacOS to develop from) as well as the benefit of having an iPhone/iPad to test from physically in your hand.
If 99€ isn’t enough they should just increase the fee. The Apple Developer Enterprise Program costs 299$ a year and member.
Apple won’t end up like blackbery
Because they have users that use language like we are under attack by epic & governments and courts
Because they want to hurt apple
It’s a company.
It’s not going to devalue the ecosystem for payment links or alternative app stores
Because if the product on offer is that good it should stand on its own two feet
Apple won’t end up like blackberry because they have users that use language etc. companies would kill for consumers like that.
I believe it will devalue the ecosystem.
It doesn’t matter what year it is. A good business plan something that never goes out of fashion. Peter Drucker 101.
We all lose here. Its all fun and games until Apple does this to something you actually care about. It sucks there's only 2 mobile operating systems to choose from as I enjoy having full control of my own hardware and deciding when it no longer should be used.
Folks here love to pretend Apple is the good guy meanwhile they were dodging taxes and were no different than John Deere when it came to right to repair until recently. Oh lets not forget we'd all still be on lightning if EU didn't mandate usb-c.
Folks here love to pretend Apple is the good guy meanwhile they were dodging taxes and were no different than John Deere when it came to right to repair until recently. Oh lets not forget we'd all still be on lightning if EU didn't mandate usb-c.
You are making the point. Apple couldn't "wait and see" because Microsoft isn't something that Apple could have leveraged. If MS made it or not is irrelevant. Just look at how things turned out. MS couldn't make it work, then Apple could, and MS still couldn't. They don't relate. Each platform must take the risk and don't get to "see how others do" with any relevance to their own decision or factors for their own investment.
Isn’t it a simple answer to them buy the hardware that works for you?
They weren’t dodging taxes.
This has nothing to do with anything. If you understand Apple you know why.
Patently false. They were headed in that direction. Now the eu is stuck with a standard that will age.
A little computer company called Microsoft with not a lot of money behind them brought out touchscreen devices and it had its own OS
When they released them in 2010
That was after the two big boys released their mobile OS’s
Yet the small company called Microsoft couldn’t penetrate both platforms and because developers wouldn’t make apps for it.
So if a small company like Microsoft couldn’t penetrate apple or google in the west
Then what chance has a bigger company going to have.
So then this leads to situation we have the now
Microsoft didn’t have the correct business plan. Even with $$$ it can’t bring success to every venture. So the premise and conclusion don’t align.
So a little computer company called Microsoft couldn’t penetrate iOS & android with their very little money available
Yet a bigger company with more resources are going to do what is only currently being done in china.
Yet this is not the reason for government regulation or payment links in the west
But in china there is no such payment links?
Well this happens all the time. Apps being allowed and then removed when not updated with new rules etc. And I would agree unless Apple had made such statements in the court.
It’s with the same account that they distribute Fortnite in EU so they are within the statement that Apple have made previously. Nowhere does it require a U.S. account to be used.
I think this is a way to make Apple commit Perjury. The judge is unlikely to push Apple to allow it tho.
I be agree they are under no obligation, and I’m strictly speaking legal actions. Apple takes the consumer in to consideration in the same manner as Google, facebook, Marlboro, Heineken or McDonald’s.
Selling a good bear, burger or other goods doesn’t require the consumers greater good to be of any interest.
No I don’t think people are inherently stupid. But psychology plays a role and emotional manipulation as you demonstrate below.
Well would the behavior to not work with Google to implement a broad E2E messaging system wouldn’t be in the consumers interest? Compared to only having it between iOS users and not replace SMS?
Or they end up like Google or Microsoft.
Value? What value of the ecosystem is lost? The safest system, great quality standard, privacy, Secure Enclave, ApplePay? Or are you speaking of the perception of premium status symbol?
If all consumers used iOS instead of Android would this not be better regarding the
This is embarrassingly oversimplified, but it is a perfect example of the kind of thinking that will drive a successful business to bankruptcy.
If that’s not a concern, then let us know how you would convince the 30 million+ small developers (the majority of which are happy with the current system because it works and delivers world class developer support at a very affordable price) that their costs are going up — because one large scumbag company wants to freeload on the AppStore infrastructure — and not to worry because this change will somehow be good for them. <satire>
Microsoft had a terrible business plan or none. Cell phones were exceedingly popular in 2007 and yet apple disrupted the industry. Microsoft scoffed at the idea and it should have been a harbinger.
It’s a common debating tactic but conflating Microsoft’s attempted penetration into the industry with the memes about dollars underscore a solid business plan is needed.