That’s why it failed. Poor execution.
Microsoft could have bridged the gap, but they had a poor plan overall. Not producing hardware as good as Apple was a starter.
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Thank you You just proved the point of multiple avenues of distribution and needing a business plan.
Perfect. Apple does not have a monopoly on anything. I wanted to add scaling up an operation to an epic size is more than $99. Millions of downloads, payment fees, etc. all upfront. Apple gives this all for a small cut.
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I suspect the EC wouldn’t be fans, but would be interested to hear @AppliedMicro ’s thoughts. Certainly is an interesting idea!
Understood - disagree obviously, but understand where you’re coming from.
Me too - I’d use ApplePay everywhere if I could.
Still is curated. Apple anecdotally has the best customers.
When was that.? Because it seems like no boat was missed.
Apple will outlast you and me. No really worried.
How do you think mobile apps get big?
Do you think someone just submits their app to the app store and boom it's the next Snapchat?!
MS missed the boat on mobile, they got distracted by the antitrust stuff. Gates admitted that himself
I can't tell where the sarcasm starts and the misinformation stops. Either you don't know your software history, or this entire post is just way too much eye-roll-sarcasm for me to care about interpreting.
Just in case you are not aware, Microsoft released their mobile software platform way back in 2000. This is obviously before Apple or Google entered the space.
The issue that Microsoft faced was not their size but, as normal with them, their execution. Size guarantees nothing. Good ideas guarantee nothing. What matters is the perfect storm of an idea, opportunity, but above all other EXECUTION. People didn't develop for them, myself included, because the platform sucked. It was riddled with issues and device compatibility issues. People used to complain about Android back in the day but it was NOTHING compared to Windows Mobile. Their reboot of it was not much better. At the time I was helping a very successful application group and Microsoft literally paid us to make a version and we finally gave up due to all of the issues we had with getting it stable on a variety of devices.
Also, none of this has anything to do with the fact that applications that run on platforms have great flexibility and choice than do the founders of those platforms. Again, this is not chicken or egg. Platforms take risk and either it pays off or it does not.
It wasn’t Apple that stopped Microsoft competing
(Hint hint)
And that is the problem
That is why only in china you have actual competition
And because of that you now has this knock on effect for the industry in the west.
Because if a company as small as Microsoft
Couldn’t penetrate the mobile market with their lack of resources and never making software ever before then we must need a massive company and worth at least 1 trillion dollars to compete in mobile
The AppStore removes a tremendous amount of friction in the sales and marketing process and makes app discovery focused and much easier than trying to accomplish the same thing on a website where it will cost you a lot to achieve the level of discovery that just comes with the App Store.
I’m not suggesting you don’t have to market yourself in the App Store — just that the statement that you could get the same thing by launching a website is ridiculous.
It is interesting that you pick something so minuscule to try and refer to. How about the costs related to building and evolving an ecosystem?
I also agree it would be great if commission rates were subject to more competition. However, there is sort of an issue with that because of something called capitalism. The very nature is to CAPITALIZE on opportunities, not to be "fair" or any other such nonsense. Do I think it is best for consumers? Nope. Do I wish there could be disruption to how it works? Sure! Ideally this happens because of market forces like competition. In a non-ideal situation though where that will be tough, who gets to decide how much money a business gets to make? Why don't we apply these same principles to other businesses? Why not to the NFL?
I’m not talking about pre 2007
I’m talking about after that in 2010
After iPhone & android
If the small company called Microsoft
Released touchscreen devices in 2010
And with its own OS
With constant software updates
Plus a nice user interface
And obviously lack of money behind it
Then why would a certain company not make apps for it and then other developers wouldn’t invest apps in it as a consequence.
This is the problem and that is why your now having issues like this
There is no hint hint. Windows phone was a disaster and only Microsoft is to blame.
There is no effect that you can enumerate that can be verified within the customer base.
They needed a good business plan. Not just throw it against the wall and see what sticks.
So only part of the story, got it.
I told you why, because the platform was TERRIBLE to develop for. It wasn't optimized, it had massive performance issues, it took forever to debug, the compatibility with devices was hot garbage....THAT is why developers didn't want to code for it. There is no conspiracy going on, they were actually in a place to stomp all over Apple or Google. They wiffed, shot an airball, did what Microsoft is known for...they had a massive execution issue.
But what does this have to do with the risk/reward situation of platforms vs developers? Are you confusing my conversation with someone else's?
Very hard to quantify.
The company i work for still has to do a ton of marketing on social media etc to market our mobile apps and we are the second biggest company in our sector.
We agree. It was Microsoft’s fault all along. They should have stuck it out.
This is what happens when your senior execs are on a different witness stand every week
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Let’s not pretend that customers “find” Spotify or Netflix through Apple’s App Store.
These companies don’t require “help to be found” from Apple at all.
You want to shove services down developers’ throats that they never asked nor care for.
If they want to be featured on the AppStore, let them be and pay for it.
If not, don’t shove it down their throats as a monopolist - and insult their business sense in touting how great a value it supposedly is.
I see it as justified when someone operates an important platform service with entry barriers and monopoly power, yes.
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What was the Microsoft line of devices called after 2009?
What so a good business plan is to not bring out devices and make your own OS
So that means you control everything
Now why would a certain company not make apps for the device
And as a consequence of that others followed suit.
The fact that Microsoft totally fumbled the ball is only on them. They couldn’t make it work because they were inept with a bad business plan. Or they misjudged the market (bad business plan) and people didn’t want what they were offering.
Hopefully Apple learned a valuable lesson from Microsoft. Failure of the windows phone was squarely on gates.This is what happens when your senior execs are on a different witness stand every week
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Why would you want what they were offering if a certain company never provided apps for it and because of that other developers followed suit
This is after 2009 not before 2007
And that is why you are now seeing these
Issues
Microsoft was big enough to write their own apps to fill the gap. Ultimately they had a bad business plan and failed at this business venture. If the phone had all of the relevant functionality of desktop it would have been a smash. Maybe today it would have been easier.
But we’re far afield at this point.
Why would a company not put their apps on Microsoft’s devices
Yet they are on another company’s platform
Why would you do that
If that’s the case then why doesn’t Apple get rid of google off the iPhone because they are big enough to write their own apps
You keep believing you know special thing that explains the way you want to see the world. For those of us who had to live with the utterly abysmal Windows software, we know exactly why Microsoft failed. They don't have Google to blame, they don't have Apple to blame, they have themselves. They had TWO chances at it and failed BOTH times. But....naw...it can't be how terrible the operating system was....you are right, it has to be for your reason.....
Actually it happens all the time, especially with very large companies.