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Epic: Fortnite Offline Worldwide 'Until Apple Unblocks It'
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Apple is either sitting on the app, or they are scrutinizing it with the tiniest code microscope looking for a reason to reject it.
I’d let them in, then reject it later while continuing to look for the out of place pixel or an illegal data bit being sent without notice.
Personally, I don’t care either way.
I’d let them in, then reject it later while continuing to look for the out of place pixel or an illegal data bit being sent without notice.
Personally, I don’t care either way.
This. In following this case & apple’s responses to it, I’ve come to the conclusion that my current iPhone is going to be my last until things change.
I know I’ll probably get a fair few immature ‘good whatever’ responses from some people here, but I just think Apple’s greed and sense of entitlement around the App Store has gone too far for me to stomach.
And this is from someone who has been a massive advocate of Apple to friends and family for 20 years or so.
I do love a lot about them. But fundamentally, I think there’s something rotten at the core (Tim cook, basically).
As for the alternative ? Android! Made by another big tech company with a slightly dubious relationship to the truth and no stranger to antitrust cases.
But at least I can flash my phone hardware and use an open source android version. Or sideload apps in regular android. And it’s not like there’s too much difference now in android hsrdwae quality compared to the iPhone (pixel, galaxy etc).
And thankfully my Mac will last me 5+ years now so I don’t have to make a decision there, as the hardware is so good - and pc hardware is mostly bad.
But the signs are getting ominous with each release that Apple wants to take macOS in the same way as iOS.
Anyway. I’m sad that a company that I admired so much - and still do in many aspects - has become so similar to the Microsoft of 20-25 years ago.
I actually agree with Apple on this. It’s similar to someone walking into a Burger King with their own food products and expecting to use BK’s equipment and retail space to cook and sell them—undercutting Burger King in the process. In my view, that’s not fair; it borders on exploitation.
Apple’s commission helps fund the entire ecosystem that developers benefit from, including powerful free development tools like Xcode, SDKs, and testing frameworks. As a consumer, I find it completely reasonable that Apple charges a fee for access to their platform. Developers are leveraging Apple’s infrastructure, hardware, and most importantly, its brand and customer base to distribute and profit from their apps. It’s only fair that Apple receives compensation for providing and maintaining that ecosystem.
Apple’s commission helps fund the entire ecosystem that developers benefit from, including powerful free development tools like Xcode, SDKs, and testing frameworks. As a consumer, I find it completely reasonable that Apple charges a fee for access to their platform. Developers are leveraging Apple’s infrastructure, hardware, and most importantly, its brand and customer base to distribute and profit from their apps. It’s only fair that Apple receives compensation for providing and maintaining that ecosystem.
Wow the company that prides itself on doing right by its customers shows us that its not the customers first but only themselves maybe if we stop being led by these companies they might wake up.
you can choose an open system like Android or a closed system like Apple
making Apple an open system like Android literally reduces consumer choice.
Apple doesn't own the hardware, I do.
But they do own the OS. So, go build yourself an OS to work on your 'hardware' and put whatever you want on it. That's fair!!
Sounds good. Apple needs to give anyone and everyone access to put whatever OS on their Apple devices that they wish. Apple's right to control the hardware should end the moment ownership transfers to the end-user. If Apple wishes to control what consumers do with their devices, they should be leased or rented, not sold.
..perhaps sell them without an OS at all, like one can purchase a PC.
Apple isn’t preventing you from doing that. They’re just not making it easy for you. They have no reason to make it easy for you either!
Apple is treating its customers badly in its fight with Epic.
Except Apple were told by both the US and EU courts that they weren’t allowed to stop or prevent developers from charging fees outside of the App Store and Apple weren’t allowed to tell developers how they presented these third party fees.
Apple at every occasion has taken the worst possible way to abide by the court rulings, using scare tactics and malicious compliance the entire time.
Apple will end up with more fines from this behaviour.
Again, the judge in this case already ruled Apple was within its rights to ban Epic and didn’t have to let them back on.
You don't own the OS. You have a licence to use it. You agreed to that, for you remember?
The developers DON'T own the APIs or free right in appstore the have a license they agreed to... Epic decided to ignore that and ADD in their own appstore so Fortnite was removed. and Epic banned. They should remain banned.
Nope. Epic makes software to fleece kids with IAP.
I think the concept of a one-sided EULA is garbage from the get-go, and I'm not even sure how they are still legal, but that's a different story.
Simple fix here would be for Apple to let the user install a different store if they wish, or the app directly without any store at all. Everyone wins, except Apple's undeserved sense of control.
You clearly know nothing of Tim Sweeney if y oh think Apple is the bad guy here.
An Apple executive, Alex Roman, lied under oath in the Epic vs. Apple trial, and is being referred for felony prosecution. There are no good guys.
If you don't think that 15/30% is a fair cut for IAP for:
Storage < the main Program is 20gb
Management
Delivery & Bandwidth < 20gb & Millions of downloads for free.
API's, the entire platform and Millions of hours of development
oh and the smaller matter of 1 Billion Potential customers.
Epic wants access to all this completely free and not pay a single penny. Is that remotely fair?
It's like a successful Mall opens and has a Guy with a Stall come in to the foyer and demand a prime spot, not paying rent or any utilities, then stamps his feet and sues till he gets what he wants.
In the old days you'd be lucky to take home 30%! Box and DVD production, shipping etc. Retail stores alone took 50+%
Sweeny can do one.
Storage < the main Program is 20gb
Management
Delivery & Bandwidth < 20gb & Millions of downloads for free.
API's, the entire platform and Millions of hours of development
oh and the smaller matter of 1 Billion Potential customers.
Epic wants access to all this completely free and not pay a single penny. Is that remotely fair?
It's like a successful Mall opens and has a Guy with a Stall come in to the foyer and demand a prime spot, not paying rent or any utilities, then stamps his feet and sues till he gets what he wants.
In the old days you'd be lucky to take home 30%! Box and DVD production, shipping etc. Retail stores alone took 50+%
Sweeny can do one.
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