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This is a somewhat specious argument. Epic could make the best phone in the world, with a brilliant OS (I assume you mean make their own OS too, otherwise it's just another Android phone), but it wouldn't sell because of the barriers to entry. The market doesn't really lend itself to completion from new entrants does it?
No one is forced to use iPhone.
 
It's crazy how many people people don't realize that Epic agreed to Apple's terms/rules, got big, started biting the hand that allowed Epic to get into their successful position, again - agreed to terms/rules, later broke the terms and rules, got banned, now all they do is moan and moan and moan that they don't get their way. It's beyond stupid at this point. You come to my house, you behave by my rules or leave. Everyone is welcome as long as they respect my rules. If I say shoes off, you take your shoes off and if you don't, you can leave. Don't go and sue me for not letting you wear shoes around my house that I've built and paid for with my own money, It's so simple, how can people even be behind Epic and the troll Sweeney and not understand this simple concept is outside of any logic.
 
Apple doesn't have to allow Fortnite in. The company could exclude any given app for any given reason. A store doesn't have to sell any given product in the world. The store's owners could decide to not sell something just because they don't want to. While reasons might be petty, it is the right of the owners. Similarly, I don't have to allow any given person into my home. I can block people from entering my house for any reason I want to, even if I generally invite most other people in. This is especially true if I had previously invited someone and told them "Here are ground rules" and then that person completely disregards those rules and starts trying to burn my house down.

What this means is that Epic has no inherent right to have any given app in the App Store. Even for something as important as an App Store, I don't think we want Apple to have to allow any given app. I don't want to make a slippery slope fallacy, but if a government could force Apple to have to accept any given app, that's a potentially dangerous situation.

Now, should there be the option to 'sideload' apps and use alternative app stores? That's a different matter.
The first time they broke the rules it was in such an egregious way that they knew the app would be removed, and they had an entire anti Apple campaign setup including the Fortnite version of the 1984 ad and giving away competitors devices.

The epic fans seem to gloss over how much epic attacked Apple.
 
Oh, grow up Epic! Apple may have its ridiculous regulations, even such that you give 100% and contribute from yourself, but that does not mean that if you do not like the regulation, you bypass it. Dura lex sed lex. If something is too expensive, I do not steal it. If I believe that someone uses prohibited practices I do not break the law to prove my motives in court, but I sue the manufacturer to have clean hands.
 
I just really can't understand the end-goal for Sweeney, here.

They want to be on Apple's and Google's storefronts, accessing hundreds of millions of potential users, making tens of millions of dollars in yearly revenue on the platform, but using external payment services to avoid paying a single penny apart from the $99/year (or $25 lifetime, in Google's case) developer fee?


Perhaps Apple should just change the developer''s fee to $99 plus 0% for the first X revenue and 30% for all above? Apple could use Fortnight's model of worldwide revenue reporting part of the license, or price based on publishers posted prices time d/ls. Small developers would be protected and big ones pay their fair share.

Or simply charge slotting fees based on popularity and pricing. EPIC wants to be on the App Store. 100 million, or whatever it was generating, up front please. Use whatever payment system you want.

Apple's store fee should be lower - 30% is borderline theft - and it makes sense that they allow external payment providers, but they should be allowed to take a cut - albeit smaller, of course - from those payments as well.

I don't agree with the whole theft thing - first of all, small developers only pay 15%, subscriptions 15% after year one so teh 30% number is misleading. Apple provides access to a huge, lucrative world wide customer base, hosts the app and handles much of the administrative burden for taxes, payment, currency conversion, etc. as part of that fee. I doubt small developers can do better going it alone; and I have little sympathy for the big ones making millions whining about Apple taking a cut. If they don't like Apple's terms, don't develop for iOS and forgo the revenue.
 
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This is probably the 3,117th article about Epic Games and Fortnite that's shown up on Macrumors. And guess what? I'm STILL not downloading the game!

Shocker, I know! It'll break Sweeny's heart, but I think I can live with that.

Now, where are my latest iPad Mini Oled rumors...?
 
Regardless of the issues at hand, where I'd take Epic's side...

... i'm extremely glad that a free to play gambling application is offline now!

No, can't call it a game. It's not a game.
 
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For all US/Non-EU-People here who defend Apple for not allowing Sideloading:

This, my fellas, is the main reason why it's absolutely necessary to allow it. Today it's Fortnite, tomorrow it might be your favorite/most used app.
 
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Nah. Apple should get their greedy fingers outta users hardware that THEY paid for. If people wanna play Fortnite on their iPhone and Epic wants to provide that why should Apple be involved.
Dude, it’s a business. Why would apple allow Fortnite back after all these years? The ruling had nothing to do with Fortnite. Epic trying to use that ruling as if somehow gives them the right to put Fortnite back is stupid. Also, here Epic is announcing they are shutting Fortnite down in Europe, were people can actually play it because of the third party AppStore, out of despise because apple wouldn’t allow them to put it back in the US
 
For all US/Non-EU-People here who defend Apple for not allowing Sideloading:

This, my fellas, is the main reason why it's absolutely necessary to allow it. Today it's Fortnite, tomorrow it might be your favorite/most used app.
You do realize Epic is shutting down Fortnite in Europe where people can actually install it?
 
For all US/Non-EU-People here who defend Apple for not allowing Sideloading:

This, my fellas, is the main reason why it's absolutely necessary to allow it. Today it's Fortnite, tomorrow it might be your favorite/most used app.
If Apple bans my favorite app I’ll switch to Android. Easy! No need to force sideloading on a company and user base that doesn’t want it.
 
You do realize Epic is shutting down Fortnite in Europe where people can actually install it?
Apparently not, as due to Apple's anti-competitive behavior they even want Devs to sign apps distributed by 3rd-party-stores.

"[...]or to the Epic Games Store for iOS in the European Union". And Fortnite is not the only game, to be fair, which requires to be on the latest version to play the game.

If Apple bans my favorite app I’ll switch to Android. Easy! No need to force sideloading on a company and user base that doesn’t want it.
Then go for it. Most people don't want to switch due to a silly thing which should be mandatory. Again, nobody forces you to side load apps. But stop annoying people who want. How can it be a security "flaw" on iOS but not on MacOS?
 
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Maybe you should remind Apple and Samsung about that.
The part of Samsung copying iPhone designs (Samsung mobile) is completely separate from the line of business that helps make iPhone (Samsung semiconductor). Completely different issue, and I can guarantee that there was some infighting in Samsung about upsetting one one of Samsung semi’s most profitable partner.

But sure, if you have to sue Apple, make sure you offer something they can’t live without (Qualcomm and Samsung). Epic does offer unreal engine, but that’s not in any danger at the moment.
 
Wow the company that prides itself on doing right by its customers shows us that its not the customers first but only themselves maybe if we stop being led by these companies they might wake up.
It's almost disingenuous for the original aartlice to be posted. There are so many posters, who are making wild comments, without any real insight into this issue.
Can I spell it out?

1. Apple have not recently chosen not to allow this app, Epic's account with Apple was terminated a number of years ago.
2. In the US, as it stands today, Apple are not required to permit any app that wants to go into the App Store, and onto a device. Nor is it required to have a facility to allow 'sideboarding'.
Protecting the interests of the company, the shareholders, and the country, alongside protecting customers, by having a safe, private environment, has always been there priority. You are not forced to buy from Apple, and whilst they don't have a monopoly on smart phones, operating systems, and games, that they are not legally forced to.
 
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It's crazy how many people people don't realize that Epic agreed to Apple's terms/rules, got big, started biting the hand that allowed Epic to get into their successful position, again - agreed to terms/rules, later broke the terms and rules, got banned, now all they do is moan and moan and moan that they don't get their way. It's beyond stupid at this point. You come to my house, you behave by my rules or leave. Everyone is welcome as long as they respect my rules. If I say shoes off, you take your shoes off and if you don't, you can leave. Don't go and sue me for not letting you wear shoes around my house that I've built and paid for with my own money, It's so simple, how can people even be behind Epic and the troll Sweeney and not understand this simple concept is outside of any logic.
It’s because they like the iPhone so much they think they are entitled to it. It’s like the iron man 2 movie, where the government think they should own Iron Man. Apple isn’t a monopoly, iPhone isn’t by any stretch. So why should they open up? Do the same to Sony then and Nintendo and Xbox.
 
It's almost disingenuous for the original aartlice to be posted. There are so many posters, who are making wild comments, without any real insight into this issue.
Can I spell it out?

1. Apple have not recently chosen not to allow this app, Epic's account with Apple was terminated a number of years ago.
2. In the US, as it stands today, Apple are not required to permit any app that wants to go into the App Store, and onto a device. Nor is it required to have a facility to allow 'sideboarding'.
Protecting the interests of the company, the shareholders, and the country, alongside protecting customers, by having a safe, private environment, has always been there priority. You are not forced to buy from Apple, and whilst they don't have a monopoly on smart phones, operating systems, and games, that they are not legally forced to.
This is the thing. They have no monopoly but they are being treated like they do.
 
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