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😂 Yea ok. Whatever. What floats your parallel world.

Um. They are right though. I have my purchase history for Steam up right now and I bought a game in 2007. So that’s before the App Store.

And your argument about nobody having internet. Really? How did the original WoW get played then?
 
Is that why your logic and reasoning fall apart when analogies are presented?
Unfalsifiable statements are inadmissible in debates. If something cannot be proven false, then it cannot be proven true, therefore would be an invalid claim.
 
Being able to install an applications outside of the manufacturer's app store is not a backdoor.
It is, when it was not designed to do so in the first place. Android is built differently.
Apple also never stopped you from creating a WebApp. You can always bypass the store. The first iPhone allowed developers (and still do) to create WebApps. Microsoft is doing this exact thing right now with the xbox gaming cloud web app. There are clear benefits to having a native app (hence the creation of the AppStore). But, if your end game is to make all the money and pay Apple nothing. You can do so with a WebAPP. But, developers don't want to do that. Since well, they have to host the data they provide and manage payment systems across the globe and you know, deal with happy and or unhappy customers. Advertise it, pay money for that, etc. etc. etc.

So, the heck with that. Let's use Apple/Google Appstore for all that and just collect all the money at the end.
 
😂 Yea ok. Whatever. What floats your parallel world.
Sorry but what? Steam have existed since 2003 I have used steam since 2007
 

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It is, when it was not designed to do so in the first place. Android is built differently.
Apple also never stopped you from creating a WebApp. You can always bypass the store. The first iPhone allowed developers (and still do) to create WebApps. Microsoft is doing this exact thing right now with the xbox gaming cloud web app. There are clear benefits to having a native app (hence the creation of the AppStore). But, if your end game is to make all the money and pay Apple nothing. You can do so with a WebAPP. But, developers don't want to do that. Since well, they have to host the data they provide and manage payment systems across the globe and you know, deal with happy and or unhappy customers. Advertise it, pay money for that, etc. etc. etc.

So, the heck with that. Let's use Apple/Google Appstore for all that and just collect all the money at the end.
Apple's iOS is capable of installing apps outside the Apple App store once jail broken. So this limitation is being added by Apple to force developers and users to use their store which could be argued to be anti competitive hence why they are being sued by Epic Games.
 
Being able to install an applications outside of the manufacturer's app store is not a backdoor.
Google disagrees with that statement even though the platform itself allows side loading. That is why side loading is the only natively supported function on Android that Google doesn't cover under warranty. Anything that isn't officially authorized, approved or vetted is considered to be part of tempering. Backdoor access can be more than just one thing.
 
Google disagrees with that statement even though the platform itself allows side loading. That is why side loading is the only natively supported function on Android that Google doesn't cover under warranty. Anything that isn't officially authorized, approved or vetted is considered to be part of tempering. Backdoor access can be more than just one thing.
Google would be violating the magnuson moss warranty act since they have to prove the application that you side loaded caused your device to stop working.
 
"The exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service."

I don't think Google or Apple has any exclusive possession, control of supply or trade of a commodity or service.
Can you buy EPIC games on platforms not owned by Apple or Google? Yes, you can. You can go to a store and purchase vBUCKS. You can go to EPIC and purchase vBUCKS. You can go to Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Best Buy, Target, aka "stores" and by vBUCKS and or the physical game. There is no monopoly. They are not even being monopolistic in their business practices. They haven't pushed out a competitor by any illegal means. To my knowledge they have not operated outside of the bounds of any physical store. If anything they are cheaper, and offer MORE than a physical store could or would.
lol, they do and they lost the 3rd law suit against Epic games.
 
You realize Epic won’t have any control over how Apple decides to charge them, right? If Apple decides to make it a variable cost, it sure can and will. Period.
You can have anything you want in a prenup agreement, "period".

BUT, if 30 years after the fact, a judge thinks that the prenup is "unjust", the court will throw it out.

Cry me a river.

The existence of antitrust investigations is not to arbitrate the legality of contract making, but Economic Analysis of the market actors, including but not limited to, the "fairness" of the contract with the public interest in mind.
 
Apple's iOS is capable of installing apps outside the Apple App store once jail broken. So this limitation is being added by Apple to force developers and users to use their store which could be argued to be anti competitive hence why they are being sued by Epic Games.

Incorrect. You do not need to jailbreak an iPhone to install unauthorized apps. You can use Xcode to instal Cydia and download apps outside the App Store. Same as side loading but just like it is the case with Google, Apple also voids your warranty. Epic already showed why side loading was a bad idea when they infected millions of people with malware through their "side loaded" Fortnite app. They had a malicious code in payment systems too. History already shows why this is simply a bad idea for the consumer.
 
Incorrect. You do not need to jailbreak an iPhone to install unauthorized apps. You can use Xcode to instal Cydia and download apps outside the App Store. Same as side loading but just like it is the case with Google, Apple also voids your warranty. Epic already showed why side loading was a bad idea when they infected millions of people with malware through their "side loaded" Fortnite app. They had a malicious code in payment systems too. History already shows why this is simply a bad idea for the consumer.
If Apple is voiding warranty's for sideloading they are going to get sued for that since it violates the magnusson moss warranty act since they have to prove that action broke their device in order to void warranty.
 
I never understood why Epic didn't do what Amazon did long ago.

Amazon didn't want to be charged 30% on every Kindle ebook they sold... so they just stopped it altogether. And people had to go to Amazon's website to buy Kindle ebooks.

Epic could have done something similar. Even though they couldn't (then) have a link to a website in the app... I'm pretty sure gamers would have figured it out.

You need an Epic Games account to play Fortnite anyway, right? So you already have a login and password to Epic's website and store.

That seems like a better option than suing the two major mobile platforms.

I exactly agree with this.
 
You can have anything you want in a prenup agreement, "period".

BUT, if 30 years after the fact, a judge thinks that the prenup is "unjust", the court will throw it out.

Cry me a river.

The existence of antitrust investigations is not to arbitrate the legality of contract making, but Economic Analysis of the market actors, including but not limited to, the "fairness" of the contract with the public interest in mind.
Good luck with that.
 
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If Apple is voiding warranty's for sideloading they are going to get sued for that since it violates the magnusson moss warranty act since they have to prove that action broke their device in order to void warranty.
Nope.
MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT only requires a clear description and identity of what is covered and what is NOT covered. Both Apple and Google clearly states in the TOS that any damage done by unauthorized apps are not covered. Your agreement to these terms waives your right to sue either company for breach of contract. Next time read the whole 300+ pages of the term before clicking "Agree".
 
Nope.
MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT only requires a clear description and identity of what is covered and what is NOT covered. Both Apple and Google clearly states in the TOS that any damage done by unauthorized apps are not covered. Your agreement to these terms waives your right to sue either company for breach of contract. Next time read the whole 300+ pages of the term before clicking "Agree".
Just because it is in TOS does not make it legal. Manufacturer's got into trouble for voiding warranty's due to the tamper sticker being broken/missing.
 

Think again, Apple lost this time.
Reading your own links before posting is key. Read Judge's ruling, reasoning and rejection of Epic's claims and what Epic is liable doing. The result of this trial is not by the original cause Epic claimed which is what you have been pushing here for the last couple days.
 
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Just because it is in TOS does not make it legal. Manufacturer's got into trouble for voiding warranty's due to the tamper sticker being broken/missing.
Actually, TOS is a legally binding agreement. You can claim breach of contract only if you have your warranty voided for reasons that is not listed in TOS. That's common knowledge, my friend.
 
Actually, TOS is a legally binding agreement. You can claim breach of contract only if you have your warranty voided for reasons that is not listed in TOS. That's common knowledge, my friend.
If I put in the terms of service that I am allowed to murder somebody does that make murder legal now since it is in the TOS which the parties agreed to? TOS does not supersede state and federal laws.
 
Reading your own links before posting is key. Read Judge's ruling, reasoning and rejection of Epic's claims and what Epic is liable doing. The result of this trial is not by the original cause Epic claimed which is what you have been pushing here for the last couple days.
Doesn't change the fact that Apple lost. Admit it.
 
Doesn't change the fact that Apple lost. Admit it.

Define lost. Apple already announced they will be offering alternative payment methods for certain apps before the ruling. Losing would be if Epic was able to put their own app store and prove Apple was a monopoly and not needing to pay moneys owed. That would be a loss for Apple. Everyone knew Epic can't prove their claims but the judgment would be somewhere in the middle. At this point, if we are keeping scores, Epic didn't get what they REALLY wanted.
 
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Define lost. Apple already announced they will be offering alternative payment methods for certain apps before the ruling. Losing would be if Epic was able to put their own app store and prove Apple was a monopoly and not needing to pay moneys owed. That would be a loss for Apple. Everyone knew Epic can't prove their claims but the judgment would be somewhere in the middle. At this point, if we are keeping scores, Epic didn't get what they REALLY wanted.
3rd party in app purchase is what they wanted. Since they won, it's just a matter of time before Fortnite returns.
 
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