Epic Games Asks Court to Allow Fortnite Back on the App Store

[coolfactor]

Epic only cares about creating their own store and charge their own fee to developers

I watched that video from end-to-end and it makes amazing sense! Epic is way above and beyond the simple-mindedness that's playing out in these forums. They have a very sophisticated and long-term game in play. This whole thing has been planned months, maybe even years, in advance.

I don't think that Apple's 30% can be compared to VISA/MasterCard's 3-5% since Apple continues to invest into Research and Development year after year after year. That takes money. What are VISA and MasterCard doing each year to advance the industry that they are in? Not much. Maybe something every 10-20 years.

 

[wschutz]

if i offered a free game on the Playstation store and tried to bypass Sony's cut, Sony would remove the app too. but Epic doesn't want to talk about that.

Don't twist the issue at stake here. Sony is an investor of Epic Games, among many others.

If Apple is defeated on this, the rest will follow.
This is about fairness in an ecosystem of platform that is a 'defacto' oligopoly. If Apple wants to justify the 30% commission, Apple is welcome to show financials to prove that it is a fair commission.

Transparency usually works very well when it comes to fairness.

Its Apples way to secure customers details.. what’s to stop a developer redirecting to a scam/dodgy site with poor security... If they did that and someone’s details were compromised Apple would get the blame.

So Apple approves an app after certain assessments, and they don't trust such app if it uses the vendor's of the app subscription choices rather than Apple's one?
This is absurd. Apple doesn't have to sanction the third party subscription system but it can easily require some guarantees for the app to be approved, however, it is easier (and more profitable) to enforce using Apple's subscription systems rather than enforcing guidelines to follow (and possibly have automated solutions to verify that the third party subscription vendor follows them at all times).

 

[coolfactor]

the only way to get  to change their greedy ways is to sue them in court. Fortnight is epic's sacrificial lamb to get the ball rolling.
This lawsuit isn't about epic getting a better cut in the app store but bringing to attention that the whole business model of the App Store is "illegal" and wrong. They're not suing just for them but also for the thousands of iOS developers who've been ripped off too.

Are YOU saying that the App Store is illegal and wrong, or are you just paraphrasing Epic's claim? Tell us how you really feel...

VISA and MasterCard may process credit card transactions, and charge 3-5% to do that, but they are not building and running the store where those transactions are occurring. Apple is! Apple builds the store, the networks, the devices, the software development tools, and releases new versions year after year after year. That takes a tremendous amount of money. They are just using the industry-standard "retail markup" to make that money. Nobody complains about a store buying a crate of milk, adding 50% and then selling that to consumers. No, because it's expected. Apple isn't doing anything illegal in that respect. They are letting developers advertise and "shelve" their products for free until copies are sold. No brick-and-mortar store would do that.

 

[kcslc]

if you publish a game on Epic Store and try to bypass Epic’s payment system and rules your app will be pulled too.

if you try to publish anything on monopolist spyware company Tencent’s platform and bypass their payment system and rules your apps and content will be pulled too.

But Epic and their CEO Tim Swineflu doesn’t want to talk about that and is happy to work as China’s proxy agent to attack western companies in order to force Apple and Google to make iOS and Android open to banned and spyware apps.

So much proxy warfare is done openly now and the media....crickets

I stopped reading your post when I reached your insanely immature comment. What are you. Twelve?

 

[macfacts]

So what if apple made the iPhone. Ford makes cars and can't sell them in Ford stores, only 3rd party dealerships.

 

[ruka.snow]

the only way to get  to change their greedy ways is to sue them in court. Fortnight is epic's sacrificial lamb to get the ball rolling.
This lawsuit isn't about epic getting a better cut in the app store but bringing to attention that the whole business model of the App Store is "illegal" and wrong. They're not suing just for them but also for the thousands of iOS developers who've been ripped off too.

No the 30% cut is irrelevant to Epic, it is all about getting the Epic game store onto iPhones and Android(after their first failed attempt). It is even in their lawsuit.

 

[Krizoitz]

the only way to get  to change their greedy ways is to sue them in court. Fortnight is epic's sacrificial lamb to get the ball rolling.
This lawsuit isn't about epic getting a better cut in the app store but bringing to attention that the whole business model of the App Store is "illegal" and wrong. They're not suing just for them but also for the thousands of iOS developers who've been ripped off too.

1. Apples fees are in line with App Store fees on basically every other major platform
2. There is nothing illegal about it
3. Epic does the exact same thing in its own store
4. Why isn’t Epic going after other platforms that do the same thing (Microsoft, Sony)? Because it makes more money from those stores. It’s not about principle, it’s about profit.
5. No developer is forced to use the App Store, how can they be “ripped off” by engaging in something voluntarily? They have a choice. There is no monopoly.

 

[DelayedGratificationGene]

The more I hear about Epic, the more I start to hate them.

I know!!....

 

[cgs1xx]

Just update your app to comply with the rules of the appstore you want to be in and stop whining! You can’t have your cake and eat it. Don’t be Spotify!

 

[ArPe]

I stopped reading your post when I reached your insanely immature comment. What are you. Twelve?

I don’t care if you don’t have a sarcasm detector about that one single word. There are dozens of sarcastic posts on here about Epic, its leadership and Fortnite. As long as the gist of my post is factually correct then it holds. We are seeing proxy wars between companies.

BTW, the subject is Fortnite. It’s not exactly mature intelligent content.

 

[D4vidrim]

This lawsuit isn't about epic getting a better cut in the app store but bringing to attention that the whole business model of the App Store is "illegal" and wrong. They're not suing just for them but also for the thousands of iOS developers who've been ripped off too.

Are the Sony, Epic, Microsoft app stores illegal and wrong too, or just the Apple's?
Just to clear up your mind...

 

[TiggrToo]

distribution as many times i mention. It never ever about %.

Web based allready in critical limit for ERP business which have large volume data. As constant update to the system or apps, opening the distribution which limit like apple enterprise license is good.

** sometimes customer think,web based can do all the magic like installable application but reality farfetch.

So, the answer to my question is an emphatic “nothing”, then. Exactly as I figured.

 

[ArPe]

Are the Sony, Epic, Microsoft app stores illegal and wrong too, or just the Apple's?
Just to clear up your mind...

According to people like them brands shouldn’t pay commission or floor rent in department stores and each concession should use their own check out counter. You’re talking to people who don’t understand that an App Store is just a virtual department store. And the OS is the property upon which the department store exists. The property has to be made secure against rogue actors and businesses who don’t want to pay the rent.

 

[FHoff]

LOL I bet they want back in.

 

[appahappa]

"the balance of harms tips strongly in Epic’s favor". Well maybe the benefits of being in the AppStore are worth the 30%?

 

[TiggrToo]

I don’t care if you don’t have a sarcasm detector about that one single word. There are dozens of sarcastic posts on here about Epic, its leadership and Fortnite. As long as the gist of my post is factually correct then it holds. We are seeing proxy wars between companies.

BTW, the subject is Fortnite. It’s not exactly mature intelligent content.

Trouble is, you weaken your position considerably when calling people names - such as “Tim Swineflu”.

People see that, roll their eyes, and discount any potential value your post had.

Name calling isn’t sarcasm - it’s childish.

 

[Wanted797]

I’m wondering, did Epic also raise this about the play store?

 

[ArPe]

Trouble is, you weaken your position considerably when calling people names - such as “Tim Swineflu”.

People see that, roll their eyes, and discount any potential value your post had.

Name calling isn’t sarcasm - it’s childish.

I’m not weakening my position at all. There are always people with a sense of humour who can look past that and focus on content. They can handle stand up comedians without getting emotional and focus on the message of the stand up act.

Tim Apple - because he’s the CEO of Apple

Tim Swineflu - because he threatened to make Epic’s crusade go viral and won’t ever criticise the monopoly Tencent

 

[Analog Kid]

I don't think that Apple's 30% can be compared to VISA/MasterCard's 3-5%

Another reason that they can’t be compared is because the 30% includes the credit card processing fees. The Dev gets 70% of revenue.

 

[Azrael9]

"the balance of harms tips strongly in Epic’s favor". Well maybe the benefits of being in the AppStore are worth the 30%?

Slag off and embarrass the service provider over the terms they signed up for.

30%. Out of that. Apple has to pay for the running of the App Store.

What's a matter, Epic. 70% not enough for you?

If you behave like this with your business partner...? It's over.

Azrael.

 

[TiggrToo]

So what if apple made the iPhone. Ford makes cars and can't sell them in Ford stores, only 3rd party dealerships.

False equivalency.

Automobile sales are affected by a patchwork state laws built up since the 1930s. 48 States out of 50 have such laws.

There is no Federal prohibition on direct car sales.

 

[Azrael9]

I don’t care if you don’t have a sarcasm detector about that one single word. There are dozens of sarcastic posts on here about Epic, its leadership and Fortnite. As long as the gist of my post is factually correct then it holds. We are seeing proxy wars between companies.

BTW, the subject is Fortnite. It’s not exactly mature intelligent content.

Counterstrike given a 'kiddie' mod over.

I don't get the fuss about it.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

LOL I bet they want back in.

They...they...threw me...out...of duh...duh...part-eee....

You slag off your host and embarrass them...

Who knew?

Azrael.

 

[D4vidrim]

IIRC, google is in the same boat as apple when it comes to Epic's issue on 30% cut. The only difference is that you can side-load apps to your android device whereas with Apple you can't.

I would like to know the % of users who side-load, just to understand if this is something people are really interested in.
Cause I think Epic goal might be staying in the Apple App Store, without paying any commission to Apple at all, not to open e different store where most of people would probably not go.

 

[ian87w]

LOL I bet they want back in.

Remember that Epic tried it with Google, by declining to put their app in the Google Play Store and ask consumers to sideload. Long story short, Epic crawled their way back in.