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It is not because Epic wanted better terms, it is HOW they went about it. They violated an agreement they made with Apple by submitting an app that met Apple's guidelines so that it would be approved. After the app was approved and live, they made a back-end change on Epic's side, which redirected the app to their (Epic's) payment source. An action they KNEW would get them banned, but they did it anyway. They were unscrupulous and purposefully violated rules they didn't agree with. There are correct methods to dispute things, and there are incorrect ways. Epic chose the incorrect way to force Apple to the table.

To your point, from page 178-9 of the Judge's opinion:

Epic Games never showed why it had to breach its agreements to challenge the conduct litigated. Two parallel antitrust actions prove the contrary. Apple had contractual rights to act as it did. It merely enforced those rights as plaintiff’s own internal documents show Epic Games expected.
 
IMO if the judge forces Apple to host Epics apps that will open up a whole can of worms wrt to people suing any business (both physical businesses and E-commerce to host their wares...


Did Amazon ban your business from its store front because your products were a fire hazard or because of review manipulations? I will sue you so you are forced to sell my wares!


Not sure thats a can of worms the Judge/courts want to open
 
Yeah Petty is not a great look for Apple, especially with the multiple lawsuits they’re dealing with on several fronts currently.
Just approve the game and move on so both sides can stop talking about it and gamers can be happy. Is that really such a big ask?
Even worse look for epic. Here's hoping they get shot down. Epic just do whats right here.
 
People support Epic because of some imagined righteous fight on behalf of consumer choice. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Similarly, people support Apple because of some imagined care for the consumer. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

Folks -- none of these companies are our "friends" or "advocates" or looking out for anything but themselves.
 
WTF Apple? If a court orders an injunction and demands immediate action, you don't get to wait to see if an appeal goes through later.
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Apple removed Fornite originally on the basis that they knowingly and intentionally broke the rules that they agreed to at the time. That alone is enough for a justified lifetime ban.
And by "intentionally," it should be underscored that Epic spent millions with a PR agency, and nearly a year in prep and development, to break their contract with Apple - all at the expense of its paying audience, which are largely teenagers. Sweeney Swiney: such a class act.

How could Apple possibly be expected to do business with anyone exercising such calculated, malicious business practices? How could they possibly trust any partner in that scenario? They should actually be protected from doing business with anyone exercising such proven/documented tactics. Period.
 
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Or, they can simply change how they charge for hosting subscription and paid apps. No one has said Apple must host apps for free.
This will probably happen eventually, but Apple has no obligation to let Epic push them around when Epic broke the rules they agreed to in the first place.
 
@ToothBlueth what about this statement do you disagree with?
The comments have been deleted, but assuming it still is about Apple would be allowed to do whatever they want because they own iOS:

Companies have a responsibility to their shareholders, but more importantly companies have to follow the law. Simplifying law by making an analogy is simply not helpful, as the analogy lacks the complexity of the case. The difficulty with iOS (and Android) is that, while Apple is the owner, Mobile OSes have become a central part of many peoples lifes. In this case iOS, has sort of established itself as a common good, a platform on which new markets have established, and most people nowadays rely on. Add to this that there is no real choice in mobile OS, as there only iOS as an alternative. To deny that such complexity exists and to deny that many people, users and developers, are relient on it, is problematic in such conversation.

Apple and Google have grown to such levels, where they have a lot of power, which limits peoples choice on so many fronts (e.g. choice of OS > choice of app stores > choice of third party hardware > choice of browsers etc etc etc.). To just say, 'well, but their share holders must be happy' is no longer valid. They can deny competition on many levels, in this case an app developer that has/had a significant market on iOS. And yes they have defied Apple's TOS, but that in itself shows how much power they hold over the market. A free market does not exist when monopolies or duopolies exist, because only those that praise the king will be allowed to stay, only those that will pay the feudal taxes can reserve a spot. Apple and Google hold too much market power, just like Microsoft in the early 00s, and that Standard Oil over a century ago.

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in techno-feudalism. I wouldn't call that freedom at all.
 
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I think Apple will soon discover they have an obligation when a court orders them to do so, but that being petty will have a cost. This attitude did not help in the past and has caused much more damage than the initial ask, this will be no different.
Courts ruled Apple was allowed to ban their developer account in the US.

Ordering them to do this would contradict a previous ruling and create a better ground for appeal on the whole matter of leading to alternative payment methods.
 
Waiting to see what will happen. A lot of changes are being forced on Apple due to various regulations worldwide.
 
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Given that SAG-AFTRA is now going after Epic for the Dark Vader Voice, this all the judges needs to see to know Epic is scummy.

The Lawsuits Vs Epic are starting to show up

Apple will win this lawsuit HARD. Then the actors guild.
 
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Apple removed Fornite originally on the basis that they knowingly and intentionally broke the rules that they agreed to at the time. That alone is enough for a justified lifetime ban.
Exactly. If Epic wants back into the App Store, they need to follow the rules they agreed to follow.
 
I teach my daughter how to be polite after making mistakes and offer an apology. Epic / Sweeney just double down with their stupid behavior. Maybe something like ‘Hey Apple, sorry we made a mistake when we broke our agreement with Fortnite, how can we make this right and get our game back on the store’ would help.
They know what they must do, they just need to pull their pants and do the work.
 
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Epic and Tim Sweeney really are just looking pathetic at this point. Begging a judge to force a company to allow their product. No wonder they make games for young children, look who's working at the company.
 
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