Agreed. Other platforms need to think twice now about Epic. Heck anyone doing business with this company is taking a big risk. I wouldn’t go near this company.
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Epic Games Began Planning Antitrust Lawsuit Against Apple Two Years Ago With 'Project Liberty'
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I'm not siding with Epic, but Apple has similar tools for MacOS yet developers don't have to rely on the App Store to get apps on the Mac. The main benefit to Apple in allowing devs to use their dev tools is that MacOS and iOS has a healthy selection of apps which entices people to buy/use Mac and iPhones.
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Huh?...Epic is clearly in the wrong. Apple providing them with a high end safe and very secure platform where they can showcase their product and make tons of money....all the while not paying for all Apple does for them.....It’s like moving to a great town with all the benefits and then deciding not to pay any of your taxes. Are the police, firefighters, sanitation, highway etc personnel expected to work for free?!
There is no way Epic can win this...any reasonable person sees how ridiculous and desperate this is
Wow what a completely lopsided post. “...while still taking advantage of apple’s...” ..... no bias here
I know you can develop for the Mac and bypass the App Store. But isn’t it Apple’s decision on how they monetize the technologies they develop?
And tell me, which has more apps? Mac or iOS? Windows desktop or iOS?
It looks to me that the Apple curated iOS AppStore has helped in iOS gaining more quality apps.
Their motivation is literally to cut their own cost as all of these happened due to their reduction in revenue, nothing else. And instead of trying to improve their own products to improve customer retention, they'd rather spend more money on lawyers.
If I was an investor, I would probably question that decision.
That's not Apple's usual modus operandi but in this case buying Epic, keeping Unreal, and spinning off the rest would kind of make sense. Folding Unreal into Metal would risk further anti-trust scrutiny (I'm sure Unity wouldn't be happy) but nice for Apple devs and great for Apple's gaming push.
I so hope Apple loses so I can finally install non Tim Apple approved apps without having to worry about Apple randomly pulling the dev’s certificate.
The small business program is more to do with COVID than the Epic issue. Google is following suit too. It is far more likely that small indie developers have or were in serious danger of going out of business. I have seen some in my local area.
So buy an iPhone or an android? The consumer only has two options? Google is also being sued, so Epic is clearly saying that there is a monopoly in the smartphone App Store market, not the console market. Plus, consoles like the Nintendo switch are solely gaming devices and don’t event have a browser, whereas the iPhone can do much more than gaming and has a browser. I think it is baffling that a consumer is fine with giving up the right to browser downloads of apps or being fully informed about other methods of payment other than in-app purchases, as it should be the consumers choice! Macs do just fine with security by allowing browser downloads and other payment methods.
Will likely never happen. Apple can change from a curated App Store where Apple gets commissions to a supplied App Store where Apps purchases licenses to the apps that they sell. The App Store will become like a grocery store. If that is illegal then every retailer is in the wrong.
Can people please stop comparing iOS to desktop operating systems? The desktop operating systems have been around since the 1980s. We have learned due to extremely bad situations that security is not good on these systems. It has been attempted to be fixed, but these are still open to security exploits. The iPhone, being a brand new architecture, brought what they learned from desktop OS when designing the entire new iOS. It is security first - locked down.
Just look at Android. And still look at Windows and yes macOS malware.
And yes, actually both Apple and Microsoft are making things a lot more difficult to distribute apps than before. Take a look at Windows 10 S which IS locked down to the App Store. And our family SPECIFICALLY got this for my grandma so we didn't have to deal with malware on a weekly basis.
BUT BUT BUT Windows has some random App developed by a 15 year old 10 years ago that has not been updated and can still run!!!
Seriously, I agree with you. The amount of "quality" apps on iOS is massive compared to Windows and macOS.
Exactly.
Epic Games is trash. They might make a good engine (Unreal) but the company itself is trash and managed by garbage people.
How classless can you possibly get…
A smartphone is not a required device for anyone to have. A cell phone is an essential device - and they still make flip phones. A smartphone is just a nice to have.
Also, Macs do just fine with security?
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The ONLY reason macOS is as secure as it is is purely due to marketshare. If it has Windows marketshare, it would be a mess just like Windows.
Epic lost me as a customer with all of this. I needed to buy Borderlands 3 from the Epic Games Store when it first launched because it was an exclusive. Ever since this happened, I deleted the Epic Games Store and am never using it again.
You're completely wrong here. Online games require servers that are an ongoing expense and must be paid for. Apple has zero involvement in maintaining Amazon's AWS servers or even the development tools used for those servers. Games like fortnite sell items in the game to fund those servers. The stuff being purchased exists in the cloud, not on the device. There's no reason Apple should get a 30% cut of money that is going to AWS.
I suppose you also think when you rent a movie, Apple should get 30% of the proceeds because of all of their involvement in creating that movie?
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This might be the most logical argument I’ve read. You sir/madam, are exactly correct.
You need to have the same developer APIs and get the signing certificate from Apple to pass Gatekeeper, even outside of the App Store. Sure, you can have Gatekeeper ignore it, but why would you?
Let's not forget that most of Epic's revenue is coming from ... free to play gambling apps. With a 3d shooter skin, but still gambling apps. And do you know how their main investor Tencent made all their money? That's right, through "free" games with IAPs, mostly in the Asian market.
No matter Apple is doing, there's no way you can call Epic/Tencent ethical.
No matter Apple is doing, there's no way you can call Epic/Tencent ethical.
go Epic... go... Unless you are heavily invested in Apple stocks, as a consumer you will only benefit if Epic wins
I suspect that it could be pressure coming from their major investor...Tencent