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Epic Games Began Planning Antitrust Lawsuit Against Apple Two Years Ago With 'Project Liberty'
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If Epic doesn't lose this - and big - then I will be very much surprised. Sweeney's stuck the proverbial fork in his own company. Bravo.
Monopoly vs being desperate is exactly what the courts will be looking at . Apple game is up.
Apple pulled all vape apps. This caused many medical patients to suffer. All because some black market carts where bad. Yet Apple still offers cannabis and cigarette apps in the store.
Vape apps aren't random pulls. (And I'm taking your post at face-value on this) There are keyword search hits for cigarettes but it seems more in line with grocery delivery items (over 21) and quit smoking. There are keyword search hits for cannabis, but the apps don't allow ordering cannabis on-line. So you want information apps about cannabis banned?
It isn't even 2 years. The whole case has been going on for nearly a year before court started hearing it now. It is at best a year before hand.
Apple planned 5 years in advance before taking Qualcomm to court.
Which is the problem with EPIC's argument. If this has been any other developers it would have made more sense. Although EPIC is arguing this is not just for games but for all other categories.
You kind of argue against yourself here. You are right in that Epic has a lot of expense in their server back end. But Fortnite iOS app, just like a very large number of apps, are simply app wrappers around a WebView. There is no reason that they have to be deployed via the App Store at all. Epic could have delivered as a web app and used their own payment mechanism and been fine. It's basically what they are doing by coming back to iOS via the GeForce Now deal.
Fact is, they:
- Developed and online (web-based) game
- Looked at the iPhone market and decided they wanted to be in it
- Decided to build an "app"
- Deployed via the App Store and made millions via IAP
- Decided they wanted more so purposefully and intentionally orchestrated a series of events to be violate contracted agreements, get kicked off the store, and play the "woe is me" card
Trying to bring AWS's fees into this conversation makes no sense. And, when you rent a movie in the Prime Video app Apple does get paid - albeit the 15% based on the program that app is in.
Or maybe pride comes before a fall and Sweeney simply is trying to punch above his weight.
In my view Epic are simply insisting that they should be treated as special and not pay for what they use. Kind of like staying in an Hotel and kicking up a stink when it is time to pay the bill because it will leave you with less money in your wallet if you pay.
Oh so you think the article should say "Epic absolutely deserve to be treated like royalty and not pay for anything? They should totally pay whatever % they see fit, like going to a Hotel and not paying for the room and food/drink because...you know....Epic are err, epic!
If you want to make your device less secure and probably end up with unlimited malware then go ahead, but please do not speak for the rest of us who actually like and enjoy decent levels of privacy and security.
I hope greedy Epic loses and stop demanding to be treated like royalty.
The point is that Epic are claiming there is a monopoly when there is not!
A monopoly would mean that ONE company controls all/most of the market and last time I checked neither Apple or Google controlled all/most of the market.
Google has one way of operating their App Store and Apple another so that gives people a choice right there.
Epic are stating they want to pay whatever they feel they should pay bad on how much profit they lose due to consumer choice, which in itself is Epic wanting to dictate terms for a service that another business supplies. That would then mean I should be able to do the same to Epic.
As to your point about Nintendo etc, they do not need a browser, they just need their own version of an app sore which they run how they decided to based on they own business models. Browsers have nothing to do with the point.
MacOS also is irrelevant and just shows that it is possible to have 3rd party apps outside the Mac store just as is true with the iPhone App Store, though a different method applies.
Epic is in the wrong and that is all there is to it.
You re wrong, 30% is more than fair. You do not get to stay in an Hotel and not pay for the room when you check out simply because you feel you should not pay and you hate the Hotel!
You pay for the room, the staff who looked after you, the food that was made for you, the drinks and so on.
Throwing a temper tantrum because it will hurt your wallet is not only wrong but also childish and Epic needs to grow up!
I'm not clear on the dependency of Epic winning vs the relevancy of the Apple ecosystem on a gaming platform. Is it a technical limitation or perception limitation?
Wrong! if Epic wins we all lose!
We lose because security is weakened
We lose because quality will weaken
We lose because companies like Epic will then be allowed to pay whatever they wish whilst smaller developers will have to pay more to make up for the loss caused by Epic.
Epic are wrong, end of!
Actually Vaping is worse than smoking so please do not pretend it is a cure for cancer!
I wonder how people would react if Microsoft closed down windows and made it so everything had to be installed through the Microsoft app store. No steam, no epic, no itunes allowed. Only web apps. Would everyone here be pulling for Microsoft?
Windows has always been open. iOS has never been open and never should be.
The use cases of Windows vs iOS are also different.
Its harder to put the genie back in the bottle or pandora back in the box than it is to just leave them closed.
Don't think they're that mindless. More competition means lower prices so you can often get AAA PC games for less than mobile crapplets.