Why is it that everyone who wants government regulation, argues that it is about ”the free market”?
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Epic Games Expands Fortnite Legal Dispute With Apple to the UK
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Epic is 100% in the right on this. Companies and individuals have been getting pushed around by Apple for far too long. They have a monopoly on their ecosystem that while they created, has exceeded the bounds of what one entity should control.
Attack away Apple boys but it doesn't change the facts.
Attack away Apple boys but it doesn't change the facts.
Apple has a monopoly on what they created.
Yes, every company has a monopoly on the things they create, although they’re usually called “products”. But, monopoly is also technically correct as long as you define the “market” in an absurd way.That’s why you don’t see a Burger King Big Mac and why you can’t put UPS packages in a FedEx drop box and expect that it’ll get to it’s destination.
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Actually the mobile market (ios and android) was about 12% and those numbers were dropping fast (most move to console or PC) and that is why Epic was willing to risk this lawsuit by breaking the terms of their contract.
The ego is large in this one! He has a 15 year grudge that Gabe (Valve) has outdone him in the game store market. It goes back to the FPS wars (Quake, Unreal, Half-Life, etc)
You weren't sold that feature with iOS anbd you knew this going in. I hear Android can provide you with what you need.
Why did none of this come up for the last 3 decades on consoles or in-dash car systems?
I'll just add that if Apple decides to drop a feature (like they constantly do) all the other App stores that rely on it will freak out! It happens now all the time. Look at the drop for 32-bit. This is the main reason why Steve Jobs stated that they will never support the Enterprise market. It's was stagnates innovation and change. It's why Windows 10 still runs 16-bit code and needs to employee a building full of engineers to maintain the compatibilty.
iOS apps are not MacOS apps.Speaking of Apple moving to their own silicon...
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This system is also potentially being used as an opportunity to block "sideloading" on your desktop, too.
I did like being able to install alternate app stores when I was on Android - Amazon’s “play” store (whatever it was called) gave away free games/apps. I do however like the walled garden in Apple when it comes to the Wallet. Having all my cards in one place makes use swift and convenient. Allowing all banks for force users to use their app to pay would be a pain and cause friction when trying to pay. No thanks.
because big third party apps will simply go that route and force users to install background services that take up precious memory and energy to update these apps.
and then there are the security issues.
It also got removed from the Google store for exactly the same reasons... the standalone installer gets met with a big warning system banner.
Also, Switch, Xbox, PS4/5 don’t have standalone installers... this lawsuit seems too laser targeted.
I find this still so unlikely, it’s like they would force Apple to allow the app to be installed and waiver all the dev licenses, fees rules, user agreements, etc that everybody has to follow for this single business entity.
First, the content of the App Store is different for different parts of the world.
Second, the laws differ from county to country. So, even if the treatment of Epic may be legal in US (which is not decided yet),m it may be illegal in other parts of the world. Apple sues in many countries, why would anyone expect that the are not sued in many places, too?
Epic lost its developer account with Apple, and a UK court has no power to say anything about that. And without a developer account, there's no way they are allowed on an App Store anywhere.
Hopefully one of these cases whether Epic or not breaks the App store. If they win the UK they might be able to leverage it with the EU and USA.
Didn't the McDonald's Corporation v Steel & Morris case show otherwise? McDonalds got £40,000 (which they didn't try to collect due to all the bad PR) and the UK government lost £57,000 for violation of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
You do understand that if there is another app store allowed, many apps will be available only on their own app stores? You also understand that those other app stores are unlikely to have Apple’s restrictions on privacy, so you will not know what they are doing and some will likely share your purchase information with advertisers? This is why this is a terrible thing.
I don't think all that would happen. On Android, there are already multiple application stores around (Samsung Galaxy, that Huawei one, F-Droid...). Instead of apps being exclusive to one, they list themselves on as many as possible.
I don't see why it would matter if other stores existed on Apple platforms. Not happy with their policies? Don't install them. Only want Apple's store? Not a problem.
That is because none have the privacy policies that Apple does. Do you think for a minute if Facebook were able to run its own store that it would continue to be in Apple’s store?
In the PC gaming world, there are many titles that are exclusive to Steam, EA’s Store, Epic’s store, etc.
If it's your device, you should arguably have control over what you put on there.
I'm starting to think we need regulations for this.
I've yet to see one good reason why we shouldn't be allowed to sideload apps without doing sorcery.
Again, it's your device at the end of the day.
I mean, I don't go to Hyundai to buy tires. I go somewhere else. Same should apply here.
Now if I want to be in the Apple Store, then I agree, I should follow Apple's rules. However if I should be able, like real computers, to "buy" software from a store and install its binary package without a Mac.
This is of the many reasons iPadOS and iOS will, likely, never replace the Desktop in any meaningful way.
Although in specific relation to Epic v Apple, I think they are both doing things in Bad Faith.
But I do think a time is coming where not allowing third party apps outside of Apple's control on iOS and iPadOS will be banned and the power returned to the User. We'll see though...
If you want that control, you have options to get it. Android is the dominant platform and allows that control. People purchase iOS/iPadOS/tvOS/WatchOS devices because they have assurances from Apple that they will not allow certain things like malware, and viruses, as well as ensuring our privacy. Once side-loading is allowed, that becomes completely impossible. Again, do you believe that if Facebook were given a choice: be in the App Store and inform/get consent from your users or require that the users side-load and eliminate that control, that they would not force that?
Why? If you want that freedom, buy a device that has it. There are many of them and they make up the vast majority of devices sold. Your argument (like those of everyone on your side) is not that users should have choices (the current situation), but that all users should have to live with your choice.
Either you have never read any of these threads, or you are just unwilling to accept that any choice other than yours is wrong. Once this is allowed, all Apple’s security measures are compromised. Once people can side-load to avoid Apple restrictions, piracy (which now is basically non-existent on Apple’s platform) will be as bad as it is on PCs and Windows systems, apps will have no restrictions on what data they can capture, etc. This is a binary choice. Either it is restricted or it is not.
What makes it so hard for you and those on your side to accept that your choice eliminate the choice of the vast majority of Apple’s users, for a safe and secure platform? It would also cost the vast majority of developers a great deal of money (as any that do not have cloud services would now have to deal with piracy). If this restriction so grates on you, move to the other platform. Nothing forces you to use this one.
Not sure how you justify your position, or what you mean by ”desktop”, but I no longer have a lap top (completely replaced by an iPad Pro 12.9”) and only use my desktop when I need much more screen real estate or write macOS code. Neither of the reasons I use a desktop has anything to do with limitations of the App Store. For 100% of what 75% of users need, an iPad is completely sufficient (and is in many ways better).
It is obvious what Epic has done in bad faith, what do you think that Apple has done that was bad faith?
I hope not. It does not “return power to the User” it takes away a perfectly reasonable choice made by the vast majority Apple’s billion+ users to empower slimely companies like Facebook, greedy companies like Epic and a tiny number of misguided users like you.
Sure, if you feel that "terms you agreed to" are "no good reason".
Nope, no judge or jury will ever rule for Epic because they know doing so would go against years of precedence and would apply to pretty much any contract that's been signed or agreement that's been entered into. Maybe some future case will be worth striking down the core of contract law, but it won't be this one.