Epic Games Not Satisfied With Ruling in Case Against Apple, Files Appeal

[Hammerd]

This is like “I love my girlfriend, but I wish she wouldn’t snore.” You take it or you leave it. You don’t get to decide what product a company makes; the decision you do get to make is what product you buy. If the ability to install other software is so important to you, buy an Android phone. If Android has enough shortcoming that it makes it not viable for you, then buy an iPhone. But you don’t get to force Apple to merge the two.

Actually no. When a company has the power and money Apple has it poaches employees, attracts the talented and buys promising new competitors while they are still embryos.
Because of that, you can’t have many alternatives, so in a way yes, "Tim is holding a gun to your head".

There are 4 billions women in this World. And only two real smartphones OS. Your comparison is not valid.

 

[elptdbi3lYI]

Or you remedy her snoring

 

[I7guy]

Or you remedy her snoring

Remedying someone's snoring might be easier than getting points in this judgement overturned.

 

[cmaier]

Actually no. When a company has the power and money Apple has, it stiffles competition, poaches employees, attracts the talented and buys promising new competitors while they are still embryos.
Because of that, you can’t have many alternatives, so in a way yes, "Tim is holding a gun to your head".

There are 4 billions women in this World. And only two real smartphones OS. Your comparison is not valid.

Well, someone just tried to prove that apple stifles competition and the Federal District Court for the Northern District of California disagreed with you.

I mean, Apple’s 15% market share must really be preventing competition, amirite?

 

[Analog Kid]

Actually no. When a company has the power and money Apple has, it stiffles competition, poaches employees, attracts the talented and buys promising new competitors while they are still embryos.
Because of that, you can’t have many alternatives, so in a way yes, "Tim is holding a gun to your head".

There are 4 billions women in this World. And only two real smartphones OS. Your comparison is not valid.

To be fair, people are easier to make than smartphones. It takes more than two people, Al Green and a bottle of wine to get started.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

To be fair, people are easier to make than smart phones. It takes more than two people, Al Green and a bottle of wine to get started.

id venture to say phones are also more capable and contributing than many humans, some literally have no purpose and never do anything contributing to this world in anyway, other than popping out babies.

 

[jmgregory1]

I‘m guessing that Epic realizes that if their current customers are given the option to do an IAP outside of Apple’s system, at least for what I imagine may be a large number of adolescent users, that would mean they’d skip the upgrade, unless they can get their hands on their parent’s credit card. For these types of users, it’s easier to just use the Apple Pay set up by their parents. The kids might suggest to their parents that they could “save” them money buy buying the upgrades through Epic’s site directly, but I’m willing to bet that not a lot of kids are wanting to have this conversation in the first place.

Learning the value of money can be a tough thing and games with IAP’s make it so easy to empty people’s wallets, providing additional game play or resources that used to be earnable or free…back in the day.

 

[Hammerd]

Well, someone just tried to prove that apple stifles competition and the Federal District Court for the Northern District of California disagreed with you.

I mean, Apple’s 15% market share must really be preventing competition, amirite?

It is more global problem than the Apple app store alone. I spoke about poaching, competitor bought, and your flawed comparison.

 

[elptdbi3lYI]

id venture to say phones are also more capable and contributing than many humans, some literally have no purpose and never do anything contributing to this world in anyway, other than popping out babies.

I'd wager ted was right

 

[cmaier]

It is more global problem than the Apple app store alone. I spoke about poaching, competitor bought, and your flawed comparison.

What smartphone competitors did apple buy? Which smartphone employees were poached?

And why are you in favor of employees being slaves to one employer?

 

[jmgregory1]

Actually no. When a company has the power and money Apple has, it stiffles competition, poaches employees, attracts the talented and buys promising new competitors while they are still embryos.
Because of that, you can’t have many alternatives, so in a way yes, "Tim is holding a gun to your head".

There are 4 billions women in this World. And only two real smartphones OS. Your comparison is not valid.

I’m not sure why I’m responding to your post, as it would be far easier to just shake my head and question your education level. But I can’t help myself here. Do you really think that because a company is profitable, even if they sell but a fraction of what their competition does, that they should be controlled by the courts or governments? So tell me, what are the lines that Apple, and I assume any other company that is successful, crosses that makes them so powerful that they need to be kept from buying other companies or doing a good job marketing their products?

I also assume you expect Samsung to be penalized as well, given the vast number of smartphones they sell. And Google, since they’ve created the software that is used on 85% of the smartphone sold globally. Both of these companies are constantly buying other companies to add to their intellectual property, but I guess that should be stopped so that they’re not stifling the competition or poaching employees. Let’s see, Ford just poached an Apple employee, so I guess they should be punished by the courts as well.

 

[bgillander]

People keep making this argument - it falls apart as soon as some big-name or currently hot apps decide to make themselves available only on the third party stores, and then iPhone users are forced to make a choice to either, as you say, "continue using App Store and trust apple that third party applications that you download are safe", or start using the third-party app stores where those apps are available - Epic, for example, would do this in a heartbeat, Fortnight would only be on the "Epic iOS Store".

As it stands today, iOS users can count on a lot of things for every single app they download - in terms of privacy of their information, financial details, tracking, etc. Because Apple has standards that every app has to meet, and a whole range of unsavory behaviors that aren't allowed (yes, there have been apps that violate this - they generally get caught and forced to conform, or get ejected from the store). And precisely this has made a whole lot of customers happy and has made them feel confident about downloading (and paying for) lots of apps. Epic, essentially, wants to kill that, just so Epic can get more money. Let's be clear, this isn't about "freeing the users", it's about making more money for Epic, and other big developers.

And, again, if someone wants the wild west frontier of app stores / downloading / sideloading, it's widely and easily available - all they have to do is choose to buy an Android phone instead of an iPhone - they're not hard to find, they're available everywhere. People keep portraying this as offering more choice - it's not - it's taking away one of the two current styles of ecosystem (the "walled garden approach"), decreeing that the other is better and everyone must only have the Android approach.

Yeah, I’m trying to figure out how anyone figures this is being done for the consumer, based on the companies arguing for it. Didn’t Spotify buy the rights to Joe Rogan’s Podcast and make it exclusive? Aren’t they by far the largest streaming service, so isn’t that monopolistic behaviour? And I’m sure if Epic got their own store they wouldn’t be scooping up programs to sell as exclusives! Apple is by no means perfect, but both Epic and Spotify seem insincere in their statements just based on their actions. Actions speak much louder than words.

 

[Analog Kid]

id venture to say phones are also more capable and contributing than many humans, some literally have no purpose and never do anything contributing to this world in anyway, other than popping out babies.

I've also contributed by popping out unsolicited opinions and viewing the occasional pre-roll YouTube ad.

 

[Hammerd]

What smartphone competitors did apple buy? Which smartphone employees were poached?

And why are you in favor of employees being slaves to one employer?

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[Hammerd]

I’m not sure why I’m responding to your post, as it would be far easier to just shake my head and question your education level. But I can’t help myself here. Do you really think that because a company is profitable, even if they sell but a fraction of what their competition does, that they should be controlled by the courts or governments? So tell me, what are the lines that Apple, and I assume any other company that is successful, crosses that makes them so powerful that they need to be kept from buying other companies or doing a good job marketing their products?

I also assume you expect Samsung to be penalized as well, given the vast number of smartphones they sell. And Google, since they’ve created the software that is used on 85% of the smartphone sold globally. Both of these companies are constantly buying other companies to add to their intellectual property, but I guess that should be stopped so that they’re not stifling the competition or poaching employees. Let’s see, Ford just poached an Apple employee, so I guess they should be punished by the courts as well.

Just relax

 

[cmaier]

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Oh, apple has monopolies in cpus, augmented reality, and batteries?

I was not aware.

 

[Analog Kid]

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So you prefer to live in a world where your ideas are left to die if you don't have the resources to build the entire product, and employees keep their job for life and can't market their talent to the highest bidder?

 

[Hammerd]

 

[Z1000ST]

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A lot of industries head hunt talent. It’s how the world works.

 

[Manzanito]

How's the Epic v Google trial going?

If Epic can't build their own app store on iOS... can they build one on Android? It's more open, after all.

And there are about a billion more users on Android!

BTW... did I hear that iOS represented only about 6% of all Fortnite players? So it seems crazy that they're fighting soooo hard for their own iOS app store.

They’re fighting for their “right” to implement the epic store, which is kind of a big deal between gamers, I understand. No sensible way to defend that, of course.

 

[Seend1983]

Like walking into a Nike store and demanding to sell your own branded shoes there while refusing to pay rent or providing any form of compensation whatsoever. That's Tim Swine and Epic Games for you.

 

[cmaier]

So you prefer to live in a world where your ideas are left to die if you don't have the resources to build the entire product, and employees keep their job for life and can't market their talent to the highest bidder?

Didn’t you know that when you take a job, your employer has the right to keep you forever?

 

[gregmancuso]

Stupid reply. What if I love iOS and the hardware but that I’d like to be able to install softwares from various sources, just like a computer?

What if I really love Mercedes Benz and the cars but I'd like to be able to have it come with a BMW rondel and iDrive. Why should I have to buy a BMW to get the rondel and iDrive?

And, seriously to answer your question, the concept of always on, always with you, highly personalized computing (like a phone) is new and the rules are different. Things don't work the same way, nor should they have to. The fact that the average phone is 1000x more powerful than a PC from the '80's is irrelevant. This is not a question of technology but rather the role of phone in one's life vs that of their computer.

 

[cmaier]

What if I really love Mercedes Benz and the cars but I'd like to be able to have it come in a BDM rondel. Why should I have to buy a BMW to get the rondel?

I really like McDonald’s secret sauce. “But sir, this is a Wendy’s!”

 

[Abazigal]

Stupid reply. What if I love iOS and the hardware but that I’d like to be able to install softwares from various sources, just like a computer?

You either find a woman that you love, or learn to love the one that you currently have.

I imagine that would apply to pretty much every facet of life. Your job, even your choice of smartphone.