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Sad thing is Apple will inconvenience their customers over profit. Any respectable company will settle their differences with developers without interrupting their customers' gaming. If Apple can interrupt Fortnite then they will have no issue interrupting Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, etc. No more devices where companies have overbearing control to disrupt apps and services.
 
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Sad thing is Apple will inconvenience their customers over profit. Any respectable company will settle their differences with developers without interrupting their customers' gaming. If Apple can interrupt Fortnite then they will have no issue interrupting Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, etc. No more devices where companies having overbearing control to disrupt apps and services.

You can levy the EXACT same charge against Epic.
 
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Apple is not a government, and it isn’t your mom and dad. It is allowed to “discriminate.”
If it is discriminatory in a way that is anti competitive, it is not allowed. I have different opinion here than you, but we will see. If you want to drag down this conversation to a childish level - it is finished for me.
 
If it is discriminatory in a way that is anti competitive, it is not allowed. I have different opinion here than you, but we will see. If you want to drag down this conversation to a childish level - it is finished for me.

Fail to see how their comment was "childish".
 
If it is discriminatory in a way that is anti competitive, it is not allowed. I have different opinion here than you, but we will see. If you want to drag down this conversation to a childish level - it is finished for me.
nothing i said is childish. Saying “apple must treat all us kids the same” is what is childish. And please cite to me any statue that says that charging different amounts to different customers is illegal.
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Fail to see how their comment was "childish".
Because they don’t agree with me, and have no evidence or statute in support of their position, instead make ad hominem attacks?
 
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For me it felt this way "not your mom and dad" ...

That's not being childish. That's making the point that this is a hugely profitable commercial entity we're talking about. And, as such can't be accused of discrimination based purely on what deals are made with whom, unless said deals are clearly unlawful.
 
That's not being childish. That's making the point that this is a hugely profitable commercial entity we're talking about. And, as such can't be accused of discrimination based purely on what deals are made with whom, unless said deals are clearly unlawful.
Yes maybe I misunderstood. But this discussion leads to nowhere. I think I made my point - Apple has a monopoly in the iOS field and as a monopolist Apple isn't allowed to act in a discriminatory and anti competitive kind of way.

So the next argument will raise like "no but Apple has no monopoly" and so on ...

Guess we all have to wait for the decision of the court and some trade commissions who may or may not see things the way I do.
 
Apple has a monopoly in the iOS field

There is nothing inheritly illegal in that. What if a new hardware vendor started business, had only one app store - their own - and built the hardware. Oh, and manages to eek out 2% of the market.

Do they have a "monopoly" on their app store? If course not! It's 100% legal to have their own exclusive app store.

You only think it's a monopoly because of Apple's own market share.

Well, in the US it's a duopoly in the smart phone market. Worldwide Google rule the roost by a significant degree. So, do we look at US or Global figures?

In addition, all this is really about Epic. By last counts over 70% of Fortnite gamers played on consoles. So, do Apple have a "monopoly" on Fortnite gamers? Totally not!
 
Yes maybe I misunderstood. But this discussion leads to nowhere. I think I made my point - Apple has a monopoly in the iOS field ...

As apple cited in its brief, you can’t have a monopoly in your own product. The question is whether apple has a monopoly in mobile, not in ios.
 
There is nothing inheritly illegal in that. What if a new hardware vendor started business, had only one app store - their own - and built the hardware. Oh, and manages to eek out 2% of the market.

Do they have a "monopoly" on their app store? If course not! It's 100% legal to have their own exclusive app store.

You only think it's a monopoly because of Apple's own market share.

Well, in the US it's a duopoly in the smart phone market. Worldwide Google rule the roost by a significant degree. So, do we look at US or Global figures?

In addition, all this is really about Epic. By last counts over 70% of Fortnite gamers played on consoles. So, do Apple have a "monopoly" on Fortnite gamers? Totally not!
get my point? This discussion makes no sense ....
 
I just hope Apple doesn't do anything stupid like imposing this 30% greedgate nonsense on ARM Macs, now that they will be closer to iPhones than PCs.

I keep seeing people arguing that Apple's move Apple Silicon is just to allow them to lock down Macs. Would you explain what about the ISA makes this more likely? As soon as Apple added a T2 chip that contains the disk controller, they could have prevented any non-signed OS, and therefore any none Mac App Store Apps, yet have not. Based on what we know of Android, they do not have to do anything to get the bulk of macOS purchases from new users - people new to the Mac who came because of iOS/iPadOS, other than allowing the Mac App Store to exist. Android has allowed side loading and multiple app stores since its inception, yet the bulk of software installed that way is pirated. Legitimate users tend to prefer the security and convenience of the Google Play, and that is without the same level of safety that people associate with the App Store (I am only talking about perception here - most users either think that both stores are safe or think that the App Store is safer).
 
The interpretation is more broad actually (emphasis mine):
Thanks for the reference on that one.

The existence of the "ingrained discussion" doesn't give a basis to support the notion that "slander doesn't need to be credible to be effective", because it's not a matter of fact that Epic is slandering nor that their arguments are not credible: it could be that there is an ingrained discussion because Epic has valid points and their arguments are actually credible.

It could be, but my point was that it needn't be. What I'm seeing is a lot of people who are looking for an anti-Apple bandwagon to jump on, and Epic gave them one. There is a lot of "Apple is a monopoly" discussion happening among people who have only a faint understanding of what that means let alone having a court decision to support it. It reminds me of how many people use the word "socialist"-- they don't really understand it, they just know it's bad and want to associate it with things they don't like.

Whether Apple's policies are legal or not, it's clear that Epic is trying to apply public pressure on Apple to change them. The apple-head video and hashtag campaign was not meant to be a legal brief. Our discussion is around the credibility of the arguments, but much of the noise around us right now is just people making noise because, credible or not, the Epic claims push in a direction they'd like to go.

If the court allows the case to proceed, it would mean the arguments Epic brings are at least credible in the eyes of the court. If Epic's legal arguments are deemed not credible, the case would be dismissed and Epic would not be able to keep prosecuting it.

Again, my point is what happens before the last court makes that determination. It's already been nearly 2 weeks of press around this, before the first court has even weighed in on the request for a preliminary injunction or restraining order. So I'm already right on "weeks". Even if no court finds credibility, or if Epic chooses not to take this to trial, they can keep it in the news for months while they make attempts to get various courts to agree to hear it and before they have to spend much in they way of legal action.

Do you think Epic will stop pursuing legal action this week if the Northern California District Court dismisses the case this week?

Win or not, filing a suit is how you show you're "serious" about your accusations and filing this suit was probably cheaper than making that silly video meme. And long after it's been dismissed, the battle lines have been drawn and we'll be hearing people point to this case and argue that it should have gone differently or that the technical reason for dismissal doesn't invalidate the broader argument against Apple.
 
Again, my point is what happens before the last court makes that determination. It's already been nearly 2 weeks of press around this, before the first court has even weighed in on the request for a preliminary injunction or restraining order. So I'm already right on "weeks". Even if no court finds credibility, or if Epic chooses not to take this to trial, they can keep it in the news for months while they make attempts to get various courts to agree to hear it and before they have to spend much in they way of legal action.

Do you think Epic will stop pursuing legal action this week if the Northern California District Court dismisses the case this week?
The determination could be made very quickly actually: Apple would need to present a motion to dismiss the case for being frivolous litigation. If the case, as claimed, has no legal standing whatsoever and the court agrees with that notion, the court can then dismiss the case with prejudice, meaning that the decision is final and another lawsuit on the same grounds cannot be filed. Epic at that point would need to either find another ground to sue, or try to appeal the case in a higher court.

In the meantime, it would be a massive win for Apple, both legally and from a PR point of view, because such dismissal basically means for the plaintiff "your lawsuit was total BS" in the most definite way possible.
 
I've tried streaming services and literally a cheap ps4 or even a $100 ps3 is better...

Ok, well it's obvious you have made your mind up and no amount of opinion from anyone else, will change your set personal view.
And of course you are 100% entitled to your own view as are we all.
I wish you all the best and hope whatever route to enjoying entertainment from any computer platform works out well for you :)
 
As apple cited in its brief, you can’t have a monopoly in your own product. The question is whether apple has a monopoly in mobile, not in ios.

Counsellor, would you post that portion of their brief? It would be nice to see the citations, if any.
 
Counsellor, would you post that portion of their brief? It would be nice to see the citations, if any.

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