Epic Games Submits Fortnite to U.S. App Store

[Stuwil]

The alternative path is to build something that’s different and provides compelling utility to users and developers — aka innovating — and both will be willing to pay for that something.

If that was the case then Microsoft would have succeeded be they have the funds to take both companies on financially & software wise
However developers never made decent apps for it because of the low market share
As a consequence of google giving android away for free so that essentially means that it doesn’t matter if you sell a mobile at $25 dollars or $2000 dollars if you develop an app you are guaranteed to get customers
Because of the user base

So that is why governments & courts are legislating against Apple in various different countries because of how the current smartphone market is in the west as a consequence of how the current smartphone market is setup
So that is why Tim Sweeney is confident that epic will be back on the USA iOS App Store

 

[davide_eu]

I don't think not letting Epic back into the store will change anyone's opinion on Apple. Those who who want Epic back in already think Apple is a bully, and those who don't want Epic back in think Epic is the bad actor here.

But the point is why somebody should not have Epic back? It's more choice, more freedom... Nobody will force to download them... It's an opportunity. I cannot understand why in 2025 there are people still against the freedom.

We are here, on Internet because in the past there had been freedom!

 

[davide_eu]

It amazes me at how many people will stand up for Apple who 100% would take your last dollar for no benefit to you, but at least with the greedy option from epic, devs actually have a choice.

Yes, I'm with you. I don't understand why people are with them, happy to be squeezed...

 

[davide_eu]

Apple isn’t obligated to help you use their product in a way that wasn’t intended. They can’t stop you from doing so, but they don’t have to make it easy for you.

Anyone who wants to can jailbreak their phone and install apps from anywhere. They can do that today.

I wish in the future ALL the devices should have an option to be wiped out to allow an alternative OS to be reinstalled.

 

[davide_eu]

For a moment, forget the companies and think of who is important. The Consumers/Users.

If the game is available to be downloaded and enjoyed by a few million iPhone Users, than that would be a good thing.
For those people who don't want the game, they won't download it, hence it makes zero difference.

Having the game available to download and play is a great thing for those who want it.

Making it not available (due to corporate disagreements) is of no benefit to the users.

You are right, but this is the clear demonstration that at first place of a$$le there aren't the users, but the user's dollars!

 

[wbeasley]

Google gives android away for FREE
So then you get access to the play store and chrome as a requirement so that means every OEM has access to every major app straight away

So what that essentially means is if heretiq was to launch a mobile OS then you would have to give it away for free to compete with Android
Then on top of that you would need the financial resources behind you to compete with a trillion dollar company

Then even if you managed to get your OS onto an OEM you would then have to get developers to make apps for it then that is very unlikely because of your zero customer base considering it has taken instagram to make an official iPad app after 15 years then that tells you everything

how does a startup compete with a product that is free from a big company because there is no incentive to go to another provider because it’s free and you already have an existing customer base already there of over 3.5 billion active users
that is why google gives android away for free because then it guarantees them number 1 position and no government will ever legislate for google to charge for android because it’s FREE

not true

build your own hardware and include the software as Apple do.

its going to take very deep pockets to do it.
any company trying to break in now has two competitors with 15 years experience, market domination, brand awareness, tools, app dev support for a start.

you dont get it.

it isnt going to happen.

the next OS will be something different that offers more to most people.

and mostly will be an evolution over time of the existing two.

so can we stop the "it's too hard to compete against the duopoly" because we all know that.

there's a reason more people are now buying every three years instead of two or one: incremental change is minimal between single releases

 

[wbeasley]

I wish in the future ALL the devices should have an option to be wiped out to allow an alternative OS to be reinstalled.

you can do that now. brick a device.

except you want Apple to make it easy to do. they arent going to do that.
there's propriety hardware they dont want you accessing. they let you code now with their approved APIs for the bits that grant you access to. that's it.

please explain why you need to install another OS on an iPhone.

what are you trying to run on it that requires that?

 

[Sophisticatednut]

But the point is why somebody should not have Epic back? It's more choice, more freedom... Nobody will force to download them... It's an opportunity. I cannot understand why in 2025 there are people still against the freedom.

We are here, on Internet because in the past there had been freedom!

well there are many reasons not to be on Epic side that you could argue.

1. Epic is trying to make their store a monopoly
2. They have a history of sleazy tactics such as paying for developers to pull their games and be exclusive
3. They believe any consumer benefits are just incidental or temporary.
4. It leading to a more free market might eliminate a niece closed garden function that "forces" developers to be inside the walled garden so they maintain access to their app( example facebook app/messages) and apples privcy rules.
5. it's bad for Apple monetary wise. if they lose ability to grow their revenue adequately with services they might raise costs in other ways they consider as negative.
6. it could lead to the Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo Switch etc to not having their closed stores and as a result kill the console market.
7. etc etc

Try to see what kind of higher goal they might actually hold that you disagree with

example me i do have a soft place for Apple as a life long customer. And i don't like Epic, i just happen to be in alignment with Epic in some specific regards as i want more ownership of the things you purchase.

I wish in the future ALL the devices should have an option to be wiped out to allow an alternative OS to be reinstalled.

well technically you do. it's just hard as some have installed android natively i belive

 

[davide_eu]

you can do that now. brick a device.

except you want Apple to make it easy to do. they arent going to do that.
there's propriety hardware they dont want you accessing. they let you code now with their approved APIs for the bits that grant you access to. that's it.

please explain why you need to install another OS on an iPhone.

what are you trying to run on it that requires that?

Once it's sold is your device.

I told that I wish *ALL* devices, without jailbreaking any device... but by-law to be a right for the users...

 

[wbeasley]

i hope Apple refund Epic their $99 developer fee and we never hear about Epic again.

Apple cannot be forced to allow anyone in who has demonstrated bad behaviour.

It sends the message, play by the common rules of the Agreement or dont plan on releasing software on the AppStore.

Sales of Apple devices havent been hurt because the Epic app isnt there.
Or not enough to make Apple relent.

 

[wbeasley]

Once it's sold is your device.

I told that I wish *ALL* devices, without jailbreaking any device... but by-law to be a right for the users...

thats not happening
deal

 

[davide_eu]

well there are many reasons not to be on Epic side that you could argue.

1. Epic is trying to make their store a monopoly
2. They have a history of sleazy tactics such as paying for developers to pull their games and be exclusive
3. They believe any consumer benefits are just incidental or temporary.
4. It leading to a more free market might eliminate a niece closed garden function that "forces" developers to be inside the walled garden so they maintain access to their app( example facebook app/messages) and apples privcy rules.
5. it's bad for Apple monetary wise. if they lose ability to grow their revenue adequately with services they might raise costs in other ways they consider as negative.
6. it could lead to the Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo Switch etc to not having their closed stores and as a result kill the console market.
7. etc etc

Try to see what kind of higher goal they might actually hold that you disagree with

FUD FUD FUD...

1) It's the same a$$le has already done, so from your point of view one or two should make no difference at all... for me it's called "freedom"
2) It's the same a$$le has already done, so from your point of view one or two should make no difference at all... for me it's called "freedom"
3) To be proven
4) We have to fight "closed-walled-garden"... it's exactly what I'm saying
5) I don't care at all about this. Less money for them, more money for us.
6) The market is not done by the hardware, but by the software... have you ever heard of "console-in-the-cloud"?

 

[wbeasley]

Once it's sold is your device.

I told that I wish *ALL* devices, without jailbreaking any device... but by-law to be a right for the users...

you still havent said what you want to run on an iPhone hardware that needs you to install your own OS...

 

[davide_eu]

thats not happening
deal

Never say never... we are on the good track...
...and IF one day this will be the future, you WON'T be forced... that's the difference between my opinion and your opinion.

If you want to FORCE everybody to follow your mind, I work for freedom... even the freedom for you to stay closed in your garden.

 

[Stuwil]

not true

build your own hardware and include the software as Apple do.

its going to take very deep pockets to do it.
any company trying to break in now has two competitors with 15 years experience, market domination, brand awareness, tools, app dev support for a start.

you dont get it.

it isnt going to happen.

the next OS will be something different that offers more to most people.

and mostly will be an evolution over time of the existing two.

so can we stop the "it's too hard to compete against the duopoly" because we all know that.

there's a reason more people are now buying every three years instead of two or one: incremental change is minimal between single releases

I know it’s difficult
Microsoft launched their own phones and own mobile operating system
Yet the problem they had was developers wouldn’t make apps for it because of the low market share
As a consequence of google giving android away for FREE so in turn that pushed Microsoft out because google has the ability to be on devices from $25 to $2000 so that essentially means that unless governments legislate that google is not allowed to give android away for FREE
Then it’s extremely unlikely that there will be a 3rd OS anytime soon

So that is why you are seeing governments & courts making legislation that directly affects Apple by forcing changes upon them

Well I can’t speak for most but I’ve just upgraded my device from last years to the new current model

 

[wbeasley]

Never say never... we are on the good track...
...and IF one day this will be the future, you WON'T be forced... that's the difference between my opinion and your opinion.

If you want to FORCE everybody to follow your mind, I work for freedom... even the freedom for you to stay closed in your garden.

so what app do you want to run on the iPhone hardware?

 

[Stuwil]

i hope Apple refund Epic their $99 developer fee and we never hear about Epic again.

Apple cannot be forced to allow anyone in who has demonstrated bad behaviour.

It sends the message, play by the common rules of the Agreement or dont plan on releasing software on the AppStore.

Sales of Apple devices havent been hurt because the Epic app isnt there.
Or not enough to make Apple relent.

It also sends the message to every developer out there
You dare challenge us and you will face the consequences of your actions
That is one of the reasons why Tim Sweeney is confident that epic will be back on the USA
iOS App Store

 

[wbeasley]

I know it’s difficult
Microsoft launched their own phones and own mobile operating system
Yet the problem they had was developers wouldn’t make apps for it because of the low market share
As a consequence of google giving android away for FREE so in turn that pushed Microsoft out because google has the ability to be on devices from $25 to $2000 so that essentially means that unless governments legislate that google is not allowed to give android away for FREE
Then it’s extremely unlikely that there will be a 3rd OS anytime soon

So that is why you are seeing governments & courts making legislation that directly affects Apple by forcing changes upon them

Well I can’t speak for most but I’ve just upgraded my device from last years to the new current model

it's like arguing with ChatGPT.

both you and davide_eu just repeat the same circlular lines.

tell me what you need to run on iOS hardware that you cant now.

let's see what is so compelling

i'd like Nintendo to let VLC in so i can play media files on a Switch.
Sony eventually allow the PSP to have a media player.
but it isnt happening so i just play files elsewhere. problem solved.
i'm 100% certain the same solution exists for whatever you want to run. on different hardware.

 

[I7guy]

It also sends the message to every developer out there
You dare challenge us and you will face the consequences of your actions
That is one of the reasons why Tim Sweeney is confident that epic will be back on the USA
iOS App Store

No it sends the message that try to defraud us and we will kick you out.

 

[wbeasley]

It also sends the message to every developer out there
You dare challenge us and you will face the consequences of your actions
That is one of the reasons why Tim Sweeney is confident that epic will be back on the USA
iOS App Store

and 99.9999% of devs are adhering to the rules and releasing apps and making money.

that's an even bigger message

 

[wbeasley]

No it sends the message that try to defraud us and we will kick you out.

patent law exists to protect IP and can be enforced.

Apple are defending their IP and Terms.

Nightclubs are able to select who they let in the door. Why can't Apple?

It's hardly an exclusive club when millions of reasonable devs just get on making and releasing apps.
But keeping troublemakers out makes it better for everyone else.

 

[wbeasley]

It also sends the message to every developer out there
You dare challenge us and you will face the consequences of your actions
That is one of the reasons why Tim Sweeney is confident that epic will be back on the USA
iOS App Store

theres a HUGE difference between challenging the system and just defying the Agreement you signed up to.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

thats not happening
deal

it's already happening, and is happening. just not in every jurisdiction

FUD FUD FUD...

1) It's the same a$$le has already done, so from your point of view one or two should make no difference at all... for me it's called "freedom"
2) It's the same a$$le has already done, so from your point of view one or two should make no difference at all... for me it's called "freedom"
3) To be proven
4) We have to fight "closed-walled-garden"... it's exactly what I'm saying
5) I don't care at all about this. Less money for them, more money for us.
6) The market is not done by the hardware, but by the software... have you ever heard of "console-in-the-cloud"?

Dude, don't take me wrong as i agree, but just provided perspectives they hold and just saying freedom doesn't make a difference if they don't even agree with what freedom means with your perception of it.

1. I don't have an issue with monopolies, as long as fair competition is possible and i own the product. They say it's not your product because licensing agreement etc etc
2. It's same as most companies tries to do
3. this goes back to point 1
4. they want the option of the closed market being closed. having the option to break it makes it lost in their perception.
5. it's still something the ones you're arguing against might value or care for. so try and pick something else to counter them on.
6. the console in the cloud isn't the console so is still a perceived loss. Just how Sega and ATARI etc doesn't exist anymore as consoles

 

[wbeasley]

so what's the app you want to run that requires removing iOS?

anyone?

anyone...

 

[Stuwil]

it's like arguing with ChatGPT.

both you and davide_eu just repeat the same circlular lines.

tell me what you need to run on iOS hardware that you cant now.

let's see what is so compelling

i'd like Nintendo to let VLC in so i can play media files on a Switch.
Sony eventually allow the PSP to have a media player.
but it isnt happening so i just play files elsewhere. problem solved.
i'm 100% certain the same solution exists for whatever you want to run. on different hardware.

The reason why you won’t get that on a games console is because nobody actually cares enough to challenge them.

Where as on a mobile device it’s different because it’s viewed differently in today’s society

Hence governments from different countries telling a private company to amend their rules and regulations that they have in place