It’s very sad actually. No company cares about you. Only about your wallet.
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Epic Games vs. Apple Trial Begins With Opening Remarks Underway
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Epic is obviously the real hero why own physical things when you can go broke putting bunny ears on a digital avatar.
Am I right guys?
No, you just sound really old when you say that, tbh 😂 as if you’re trying to relate to what the kids do these days by focusing on one very specific element.
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Yep. I’ve heard a lot of openings. This one is not great.
Newsflash. When you buy something at the grocery store, it's marked up 30-55%. That's why and how the store is there.
Slide 12 is massive!
Lock customers into our ecosystem, face it...
But fanboys in here will still say, BUT BUT BUT Apple just care about us, they don't interlock/lock us to their ecosystem, yeah yeah sure... Stockholm Syndrome.
Lock customers into our ecosystem, face it...
But fanboys in here will still say, BUT BUT BUT Apple just care about us, they don't interlock/lock us to their ecosystem, yeah yeah sure... Stockholm Syndrome.
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This whole thing is about in app purchases and fortnite. They sell cosmetic items. So what did I miss? Oh the Carlton!
I can't see how Epic is going to prove Apple has a Monopoly. Apple is going to make the case that they are one of many game platforms and pretty much all the other game platforms charge the same 30%.
Microsoft just lowered their commission on the Windows store (for PC & Surface) to 12%:
Microsoft’s app store changes crank up the Apple pressure
The cut could help put pressure on Apple to reduce its fees further
www.theverge.com
Coincidently, the Epic Store also has a 12% commission rate.
Apple, Google, and Steam are still 30% after the first million. It will be interesting to see if any of these companies follow suit. In a perfectly competitive world, they would.
Sony, Nintendo, and Xbox are slightly different because they subsidize the cost of their hardware to make their profit on the commission, which Apple/Google/Steam don't do.
Apple can go further and show how they’re really just a minor player in the overall market. But the fact is, Epic not only agreed to Apple’s terms, they lived with them for a long time before breaching the contract they themselves agreed to. Epic can argue all they want about the market not being open or free, but they violated their contract, on purpose, and that’s how the case will be called. I’m guessing they didn’t really care what happened, as they wanted / needed the marketing to help bolster their diminishing game revenues.
Imagine the millions Epic has
Reports have shown the Epic 12% isn't making them money, and it's not the full amount a dev has to "pay" for each game sold.
Literally no one uses MS store.Microsoft just lowered their commission on the Windows store (for PC & Surface) to 12%:
Microsoft’s app store changes crank up the Apple pressure
The cut could help put pressure on Apple to reduce its fees further
Coincidently, the Epic Store also has a 12% commission rate.
Apple, Google, and Steam are still 30%. It will be interesting to see if any of these companies follows suit. In a perfectly competitive world, they would.
Sony, Nintendo, and XBOX are a slightly different situation because they subsidize the cost of their hardware and make their profit on the commission, which Apple/Google/Steam don't do.
Reports have shown the Epic 12% isn't making them money, and it's not the full amount a dev has to "pay" for each game sold.
Please understand that no matter who wins there is no cash loss for either side. I do wish this forum knew more about business insurance. Every small business and major corporation has Umbrella Insurance called Errors & Omissions. It covers them for losing in lawsuits up to a select amount based on what insurance package was chosen by said company. So if Epic loses their E&O insurance will pay the lawsuit.
That's really hard to prove as many other dedicated game platforms do not sell nor distribute productivity, media entertainment, lifestyle, social media and all other kinds of apps. They also don't sell general cloud storage, their own music streaming service, TV streaming service and they don't have their own digital payment platform. They also do not sell their hardware for profit either like Apple does. They will have a hard time convincing someone with common sense they are the same thing as dedicated gaming platforms such as PlayStation, Steam, Nintendo or Xbox.
Microsoft just lowered their commission on the Windows store (for PC & Surface) to 12%:
Microsoft’s app store changes crank up the Apple pressure
The cut could help put pressure on Apple to reduce its fees further
Coincidently, the Epic Store also has a 12% commission rate.
Apple, Google, and Steam are still 30% after the first million. It will be interesting to see if any of these companies follow suit. In a perfectly competitive world, they would.
Sony, Nintendo, and XBOX are a slightly different situation because they subsidize the cost of their hardware and make their profit on the commission, which Apple/Google/Steam don't do.
Aye, Epic would need to lower their commission to perhaps 2% to compete with Microsofts 12% considering Microsoft do way more for their cut than Epic. Indeed Microsoft compete more directly with Valve, Apple, and Google so it might even push Valve to lower their cut now that a direct competitor is offering a nearly identical service for a lower cut.
Nearly every Nintendo console has been sold for a profit. Few examples exist (original 3DS, IIRC).
Sony/MS/Nintendo not only get a 30% cut, but also money for every disc/cartridge printed.
Also - the big three make money selling their online services ($60/$60/$20), while Apple does not. They will quikly make back that hardware loss for an obvious sale.