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Epic Games vs. Apple Trial Begins With Opening Remarks Underway
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This seems more like Walmart is already stocking Gizmo's Candy, and you're demanding that you now be allowed to set up your own cash register next to the shelf so you can sell it to the customer directly and not have to give Walmart a cut even though they're footing the bill for all the other expenses.
”what the market will bear” is the opposite of what epic is talking about. They are saying that they can charge as much as they want, and there is no limit (i.e. The market will accept whatever apple says). In economics, being able to set a price regardless of supply & demand is highly indicative of a monopoly.
Epic is still wrong, though. Apple can’t do that.
IMO, I think the judge involved thinks there is a legal benefit to establishing some precedent with a ruling.
All these Apple fanboys acting like the AppStore is some big favor Apple is doing for us. I love Apple devices but you are kidding yourself if you think they deserve 30%.
back in the pre-mobile era nobody gave Apple or windows a cut of software. That should be how it goes back to. You can use Apple App Store and pay cut or else just go straight to website and download the app you want.
Does anyone want the iOS method to come to Mac where every app must go through Apple store and You have to pay a 30% commission if you buy anything?
back in the pre-mobile era nobody gave Apple or windows a cut of software. That should be how it goes back to. You can use Apple App Store and pay cut or else just go straight to website and download the app you want.
Does anyone want the iOS method to come to Mac where every app must go through Apple store and You have to pay a 30% commission if you buy anything?
What? back in the day it was like 50-60% cut to be on a Verizon phone and what not.
Of course. Pretty much every game is free in the App Store.
These are such misleading comments.
Just take Apple enforcing their payment system on the developer and what it means to them, for one, the developer doesn’t even know who they have sold their app to, they have no relationship with their customer. If the customer is unhappy, they have no opportunity to service them or make remedy. Apple even manages the refund if the customer request it; legitimate or not. A developer can sell an app, and before receiving payment, a refund can be processed and they never knew any of it ever happened.
Tell me any other business conducted in this manner
I haven't payed for a game in years ... just requires you being a good player to level-up.
It's improved the skills of players as well.
How many small developers can afford, I bet it would end up costing more the the 15% the 99% pay now.
Most games though that are ‘free’ either have a billion adverts or encourage in app purchasing.
So what? That has nothing to do with whether or not the the App Store has an anticompetitive effect.
You can contact the developer I have done this on many occasions. Would I trust a throw party payment system, no. Would I even trust that I would be refunded, no. The developer knows all your point going into to the Apple App Store.
Maybe I am an outlier, but if I could get Jedi:Fallen Order (or Control) on an iOS device for the same 40 bucks I paid on PC I would.
Pretty much any business?
If I buy a doodad from Walmart, Doodad, Inc. has no idea that I'm a customer of theirs. If I have problems with it and decide to return it to the store, again, Doodad Inc. has no clue and wasn't involved with the process unless I reached out to them directly.
Uh...no. Value-based pricing is an incredibly common practice among all businesses, even those with intense competition.
Monopolies may be effective at this practice, but so's the corner shop that charges an extra $1 for a pint of ice cream, or the BestBuy selling $30 HDMI cables.
I mean, this whole kerfuffle is about Epic's desire to keep a larger cut of the proceeds of the sale of virtual items. Do you know what the mariginal cost of a virtual item is? It's $0!
Walmart, and ANY retail store. in Walmart, you can only use their POS system. And if you dont like it they can refund your purchase. So if you bought A toy for example Hasbro, Hasbro doesn’t know you bought it ,etc… and if you are unhappy you can also contact Hasbro yourself.
But you get the idea… the min that something is Digital people forget the normal retail business that has worked like this forever.
Yes normally you have an issue and you are at the mercy of the company and lets take a tally of how many are helpful vs we have your money and we have no obligation give a single care.
Not saying the Apple model is perfect but acting like the normal is great isn't a good argument.
The issue that Epic raises has a lot of legitimacy to it.
I'm just not also a fan of Epic's behaviour in identifying and fighting.
Problem is, Apple's fee/charge model is monopolistic and hostile to competition.
1. Apple is the sole provider for App's on iOS. there is no alternative. All must go through Apple.
2. Apple takes a percentage off sales an recurring payments.
3. Apple does NOT have to pay themselves those same payments.
4. Anyone competition with an Apple service is at a 30%/15% revenue disadvantage. Making it harder to compete and operate within the same iOS ecosystem as Apple's own services.
IMHO a Simple solution from a regulatory body would be that Apple cannot collect these fees if they themselves are offering competing products.
Anti-trust over. move on and all is resolved.
Or allow 3rd party app stores so developers can chose to pay Apple, or someone else
I'm just not also a fan of Epic's behaviour in identifying and fighting.
Problem is, Apple's fee/charge model is monopolistic and hostile to competition.
1. Apple is the sole provider for App's on iOS. there is no alternative. All must go through Apple.
2. Apple takes a percentage off sales an recurring payments.
3. Apple does NOT have to pay themselves those same payments.
4. Anyone competition with an Apple service is at a 30%/15% revenue disadvantage. Making it harder to compete and operate within the same iOS ecosystem as Apple's own services.
IMHO a Simple solution from a regulatory body would be that Apple cannot collect these fees if they themselves are offering competing products.
Anti-trust over. move on and all is resolved.
Or allow 3rd party app stores so developers can chose to pay Apple, or someone else
I get that. I was hitting primarily on the "without regard to cost" part. The implication of the statement is that Apple should only consider covering their costs when setting the rates. Perhaps I read too much into that one clause but it is what I heard in the head as I read it.