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Epic Lost Trial Due to Flawed Argument, Not Legal Error, Apple Says in Appeals Filing
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I paid an application fee for my last apartment. Guess that means I don’t have to pay for rent or utilities, right?
Epic has their own servers for the gameplay though? App store just distributes the game.
If apple hosts the gameplay servers then a percentage would be reasonable.
”App Store just distributes the game.”
LOL.
Apple didn’t design all of the hardware that runs the game? Apple didn’t develop the SDKs? Apple didn’t provide a customer base that actually trusts the ecosystem enough to be willing to spend money on apps (unlike Android users)?
Your argument is ridiculous.
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I don’t think you were using a computer 40 years ago if you think we were “installing” things.
On my first apple device, an Apple IIe in 1984, I would run programs of a floppy. Technology changes. I, and the vast majority of people, are comfortable with the App Store system for its benefits. No need to go back to older styles. I don’t think a floppy drive would even fit in my phone.
Would people stop with this type of comment. Sideloading is the correct term. It is the act of installing outside of the walled garden. Saying sideloading is better than saying "installing outside the walled garden" every single time.
40 years ago i was loading programs off of cassettes. I guess sticking the cassette in the tape deck was “installing” it?
This is why these attempts will never yield the results folks like the Cohorts for App Kindness are looking for. If a business can be said to have an unfair monopoly on the products they produce, that provides a precedent which would bolster challenges to the same basic business practices in every other market.
I actually think India’s the only country on the right track. If a country wants their citizens to have a different option, they should fund it and subsidize it. I’m sure there are countries in the EU that would enjoy the challenge of chipping in with others (with the backing of government money), to create something that’s not just another Android or iPhone.
Epic never had a strong argument.
At least one other does !
At least one other does !
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Nah. If there is woeful software quality it's because apple can't implement emoji and fix software at the same time. /s
Yep. This way one change one time, in it's entirety. Unfortunately government wants to wrest control of Apple assets. And that never really works out well.
That’s a straw man. The users own the device. Apple designs it, does all the R&D, created a set of App Store rules that make the App Store a place that developers can actually sell software because customers will actually buy it (unlike the windows store, all of the android stores, etc.), created the operating system, etc.
If your theory is that a customer paying for a phone means apple can’t charge a developer for use of the sdk, use of apple’s intellectual property, etc. etc., then you don’t understand economics.
Big upgrade over paper punch cards.40 years ago i was loading programs off of cassettes. I guess sticking the cassette in the tape deck was “installing” it?
In this new document, filed today, March 24th, there are some major holes in the Arguments of the Attorneys representing Apple !
It appears to have been very hastily written !
And, it certainly doesn't appear to have been properly Reviewed by anyone with "real" knowledge of the App Store !
It appears to have been very hastily written !
And, it certainly doesn't appear to have been properly Reviewed by anyone with "real" knowledge of the App Store !
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Meanwhile today, google has allowed Spotify to use its payment method alongside google in app purchases. Never thought I would see the day when Apple is not the one innovating, but seeking to maintain the status quo
that’s not what “innovating” means.
In fact, the “allow anyone to sell anything” model is the old method, and the App Store was the innovative change that resulted in secure devices and user confidence in fraud-less transactions that mean that customers actually USE the App Store, unlike all the mechanisms that came before.
Our system doesn't work that way. Corporations will collude, deceive, and manipulate markets if left to themselves without regulation/oversight. Many customer protections are only in place because of legal requirements. If left to "the market", corporations would eliminate them. In this case, the de facto dominant app store must be forced to play fair. The court will decide what that means.
The court did decide what that means. And the appeals court will find that the existing injunction is invalid as a matter of law because of lack of standing, and that epic’s appeal will fail because an appeals court will only overturn legal, not factual, findings.
How in the 7 hells did we get to this point?
Where a company that makes games, ****ing video games, and a company that makes phones and computers are locked into a multimillion choose your currency legal battle… meanwhile the fabric of society is fraying all around us, honestly the sheer absurdity of all this boggles my mind, there’s something so fundamentally wrong with all of this.
Where a company that makes games, ****ing video games, and a company that makes phones and computers are locked into a multimillion choose your currency legal battle… meanwhile the fabric of society is fraying all around us, honestly the sheer absurdity of all this boggles my mind, there’s something so fundamentally wrong with all of this.
You mean “…and a company that does phones, ****ing locked down anticompetitive phones…”
Is charging developers more for the yearly fee, and disallowing free applications in the store not a viable solution?
I find it interesting they won’t implement the same safe/innovative solution on MacOS.