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You must understand that “industry standard” doesn’t mean anything from a legal point of view.

And the old “standard” existed because of actual costs. Apple doesn’t have costs to justify a 15-30% cut outside of they want to.
The same can be said of Steam, Google, and Microsoft ergo a non argument.
 
It really doesn't work both ways
The two things you're comparing are not alike
I think they are more alike than different.

iOS is operating system software in which you can pay money to buy digital goods.

Fortnite is a very popular game software in which you can pay money to buy digital goods.

iOS is popular with a large number of users who spend a considerable amount of money.

Fortnight is popular with a large number of users who spend a considerable amount of money.

Apple spent and continues to spend money to develop iOS.

Epic spent and continues to spend money to develop Fortnite.

Epic wants access to the iOS platform's customer base without any restrictions.

Epic should therefore be willing to offer third-parties access to their customer base without any restrictions.

Aside from one piece of software being an operating system and another being a game, its basically the same thing. Except that Epic does not spend its own money to maintain an SDK to enable others to make money on its platform. So it would seem to me that Apple is actually more open than Epic is.
 
So with this logic, I should be able to add a Porsche engine to my Honda, right? Why can't I side load this Porsche engine I found on eBay into my Honda and expect Honda to support me?

Wait, how about this one: What do you mean I can't buy Zelda from a 3rd party digital store, download it directly from them onto my Nintendo Switch, meanwhile expecting Nintendo to take full responsibility for the quality of the entire thing!?
This is absurd! GRUMBLE GRUMBLE!
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Seriously what is wrong with people? If this happens, I won't be downloading a single thing from anyone. Stock apps all the way. If you don't like it, use the platform that does allow it. You have options, people. Nobody is forcing you to use Apple products. Go use the other Android stuff out there if that's what you want.
and nobody is forcing you to download from the epic store if they get forced to allow it.
 
Apple has overly excessive control if they can inconvenience end users by blocking content at will. If Apple can block 3rd party apps on their own store then side loading and 3rd party app stores should be allowed.
 
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Unlikely as every state bill to try and force sideloading has either failed spectacularly (North Dakota), never got a vote because the legislative knew it would go down in flames (Arizona) or went to committee where 90% bills go to die.
You forgot the rest of the world.

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Yes it does because your comment was regarding notebook/desktop computer operating systems. Different set up from what iOS does.
your argument about steam being similar to the app store and charging 30% is invalid because people have the choice to not use steam. the same cannot be said for the app store.
 
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I assume no. Now I have a question for you. If a developer doesn't like Epic's terms, are there alternative ways for a them to get me their software onto my laptop besides the Epic store?
Sorry dude, the terms have been just fine for millions of developers, and have given flight to millions of businesses. What terms are you upset about?

You’re just buying into Epic’s hype and gradeschool playground rhetoric. To be fair, I’m buying into Apple’s hype about security, but I’m not about to bite the hand that has fed millions, an enabling platform and ecosystem that pioneered it all.
 
I can probably with close to 100% confidence say if apple do some of the following there will only be customer benefits.

A) lower their standard commission rate to let’s say 5% at cost and 7% on highly profitable apps for in app purchases

B) allow developers to use Apple Pay and other payment solutions with 0% commission for In App Purchase and no support from apple or use apples solution with 15-30% commission rate and continue getting support from apple.

C) a combination of both.
Only be customer benefits? Your solution would reduce the revenue of the App Store. Would Apple continue to provide services like App Store editorials on the App Store without the added income? Would Apple invest in accessibility APIs (such as the functionality to provide Apple Watch controls with hand gestures) that offer value to many customers and increase app developers' addressable market? Would Apple increase the costs to developers, which developers would then, reasonably, pass on to users? There would be fewer free and low-cost apps in the App Store.

Would regulators allow Apple to limit services for purchases made outside the current App Store model or deem it an unfair advantage for the platform vendor?

You may turn out to be correct that any new regulations, in reality, turn out to be a net positive for consumers. However, I continue to point out that nothing is assured when you make changes to large economies. The App Store is an economy and not just an online service.
 
Yes, that's what I said. Was it better when a bunch of vultures pulled Netflix apart into 100 inconvenient services? Was everyone like "oooh wowwww, I'm so glad there are 100 different places to stream my shows now, this is so convenient"?
Your argument is incredibly flawed when you consider how it would've actually played out. Sure, in some perfect world for consumers Netflix would currently cost only $20/month and have the content of all the other streaming services. That was never going to be a long-term reality. First of all, in the early days of streaming most content was split between Netflix and Hulu. Netflix didn't have everything. Second, as streaming took over and cable subscriptions started to plummet, content creators and rights holders were going to expect to get paid somewhere. Most of them decided to eventually pull content from Netflix and Hulu and start their own streaming service. It makes sense, why need an unnecessary middle man if you've got a sizable catalog worth offering on its own. With content creators and rights holders looking to replace revenue they used to get from cable subscribers, had everything stayed on Netflix and Hulu, you'd have seen their price increases be far greater than they have been, as those rights holders sought the real value of their properties. Netflix started at $8/month (~$10 figuring in inflation) and now it's $20, all the while rights holders pulled content from the service, making it less valuable overall. And in this would-be world of yours, if Netflix and Hulu didn't agree to the increased rates, rights holders would have simply pulled their content, just as you see today when they fight with the cable and satellite companies. I'm sure you've seen where the networks pull their content from Dish and others over these disputes. If this were still like the old days and most content was still available on Netflix and Hulu, it would probably cost $70+ per month for those two services, which probably more than most people are spending on streaming now. In that scenario, instead of getting to pick and choose what you'd like and spending maybe only $50/month, you'd be stuck spending $70+ on crap you don't even watch.
 
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I don't believe you.
Ok...and?

The Health app is not on the Mac (therefore, my health information is not saved on it). My bank doesn't have a Mac app (therefore, my banking app is not on my Mac. I've never even logged into my bank's WEBSITE on the Mac. Never had a need to do so). Both are on my phone. Which benefits from the system being more secure.
 
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Ok...and?

The Health app is not on the Mac (therefore, my health information is not saved on it). My bank doesn't have a Mac app (therefore, my banking app is not on my Mac). Both are on my phone. Which benefits from the system being more secure.

I don't believe you have never accessed your bank with a browser on your mac.
 
So with this logic, I should be able to add a Porsche engine to my Honda, right? Why can't I side load this Porsche engine I found on eBay into my Honda and expect Honda to support me?

Wait, how about this one: What do you mean I can't buy Zelda from a 3rd party digital store, download it directly from them onto my Nintendo Switch, meanwhile expecting Nintendo to take full responsibility for the quality of the entire thing!?
This is absurd! GRUMBLE GRUMBLE!
/s

Seriously what is wrong with people? If this happens, I won't be downloading a single thing from anyone. Stock apps all the way. If you don't like it, use the platform that does allow it. You have options, people. Nobody is forcing you to use Apple products. Go use the other Android stuff out there if that's what you want.

There’s so much wrong in this post it is hard to know where to start
 
You must understand that “industry standard” doesn’t mean anything from a legal point of view.

And the old “standard” existed because of actual costs. Apple doesn’t have costs to justify a 15-30% cut outside of they want to.

Apple should just allow developers to use their own solutions for in app purchases and allow them to do their own marketing then. What so wrong with this choice? Why is it okey for apple to be greedy but not developers?
What cost are you talking about. And cost have nothing to do with profit margins. If you choose to do business with a company and use their resources, name and goodwill to build your business, you do get to decide what you believe is fair, but cannot dictate to that company that they have to pay you what you decide. You decide if the deal makes sense for you and take it or leave it. If Apple’s system wasn’t fair and accessible they wouldn’t have over 20 million registered developers worldwide.

The scenario is similar to the PlayStation and Xbox ecosystems in that there is a device developed by one company that has a huge number of revenue streams and develops a platform That other company make products to sell on. The only difference was there was a huge barrier to entry because it requires lots of cash and access to get started and no guarantees either platform would even except your product.
 
Good point. I guess this is what we get for allowing open corruption of our politicians without accountability. They really should wear Nascar-type suits with patches from all of the different entities bribing them - oh sorry, I mean donating to their campaigns. Whoever thought of that was brilliant.
There has been legislation on the table for years attempting to force these disclosures and limit access, but they have been blocked. One such bill is just 2 votes shy of passing and the other side have no desire to change that.
 
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Sorry dude, the terms have been just fine for millions of developers, and have given flight to millions of businesses. What terms are you upset about?

You’re just buying into Epic’s hype and gradeschool playground rhetoric. To be fair, I’m buying into Apple’s hype about security, but I’m not about to bite the hand that has fed millions, an enabling platform and ecosystem that pioneered it all.
"Pay us 30% or you don't get access to 60% of U.S. consumers." "Only the kind of apps we say, are allowed to be installed on iPhone."

Those terms.
 
You're mixing hardware monopoly a.k.a. gatekeeping with software distribution platforms availability.

I have Steam, Epic, GOG, MSStore and manually downloaded/installed Software on my PC, that's not monopoly that's a healthy competition. And that's exactly how it should be on iOS, just like on macOS.
I’m not mixing anything. I’m defining a market rationally. And, any rational market definition historically doesn’t include a company’s trademarked names. If Apple has a monopoly on the products/services Apple provides, then “Any Company” has a monopoly on the products/services ”Any Company” provides.
 
Just the other day, I was using a friend's Oppo phone.

I tried to help my friend recover some deleted data. Naturally, I went to the Oppo/Android app store to look for "data recovery" apps. My god. What a freaking mess. Every app on there was a scam. None of them did anything except play endless ads and then scan existing data. All the reviews, sometimes 40,000+ reviews were fake.

I get the argument for 3rd party app stores. But the average consumer is going to be duped so easily by low quality app stores and apps.
The Apple App Store is the same exact way. Did you know that the notes app has a function that can help you scan receipts for FREE? No? Well in the app store there’s apps that will charge 100 bucks a year to do the same.
When i meant a year is the condemning monthly subscription service all other business apps are falling into.
 
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It would be good to have an option of blocking traffic from apps installed from 3rd party App Stores to keep the device safe.

It should be enabled by default. And when disabled it should be clear that users accept it at their own risk.

If the solution was at minimum like Android 11/12 where you have to specifically allow an app the ability to "sideload" this would work. Don't block but allow on a case by case basis.
 
A world where I only had Netflix and no cable TV, and had access for the most part to everything I wanted to watch. You must have missed it, it was only something like a five-year window.
Ya I don’t buy the term cable replacement being used correctly here just because you didn’t mind losing everything else cable offered. Hulu was the closer cable replacement back then. Netflix was just an compilation of old content at that time.

If back catalog was what you wanted, you should have never had cable in the first place and used the money you saved to build yourself a better library.

I love how everyone fondly remembers the “good days” of Netflix. I remember everyone joking about how generally meh the streaming catalog was 10 years ago.
 
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