You are playing the same word game crap Epic by saying both Google and Apple were monopolies in the same market at the same time.
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His Twitter response is far away from a monopolist's wet dream as described above.
Sure - you have to abide the rules.
I don't have a problem with that.
Companies should be allowed to create such communities if they'd like to.
It, however, there's only two providers of housing in the marketplace and there's prohibitive entry barriers to the housing market and a lack of competition therein, then I've addressed it above:
Of course that's just my own, personal opinion on how a society (should) look like.
Well, Apple certainly is a "monopolist" for app distribution on Apple's iOS.
I'll readily admit that there lies a certain irony in the fact EPIC that paid hundreds of millions of dollars for exclusivity of new high-profile gaming titles to their own EPIC store.
One problem, if I develop an iOS app it can’t ever work on an android phone. I must a new program specifically for it to work.
My solution is still preserving the gatted community. Only apps apple approves are able to be installed and nothing else. And only apps on the App Store can be distributed on competing platforms or developers website. Apple will just be stopped from taking a commission on thing sold outside their store with no need to provide support.
Or even better just allow developers to provide their own payment solution with no apple commission next to apples payment solution, making it easy for consumers to pick the one they are comfortable with.
Apple could even take a small fee for every download of free apps
"Apple and Google... are using their new monopoly power to tax and prevent competition," Epic CEO Tim Sweeney said at the Global Conference for Mobile Application Ecosystem Fairness in Seoul.
There you are, right from Epic's CEO's mouth - both and Apple and Google are monopolies.
"Google Magnified Safety Risk To Protect Monopoly, Epic Says"
"While the judge didn’t find Apple monopolistic, the company’s shares declined 3% on the news, and Google dipped as much as 2%. Epic sued Google in 2020 on similar allegations."
I should note that per the FTC itself duopolies in of themselves are not illegal - they only become illegal where there is obvious collusion between the companies. If there looks like there may be some collusion but the FTC can't prove it the FTC will step in and try to prevent the acquisition of disrupters.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck it isn't a feathered dinosaur - unless you are Epic.
How is this bad as long as options exist?
Steam work on windows, Mac and Linux. Mac App Store still exist (it just sucks) that nobody wants to use. Windows store exist, Epic, GoG, EA etc etc stores exist
Probably not, it’s actually a third party tool using a function normally normal users can’t do. You can install banned or pirates app etc
If it happens it happens, people will just find other ways to be freed ??Apple may not be able to remedy this yet without screwing over developers using it for legitimate purposes, but I won’t be surprised if it “magically” just stops working one day.
But you still didn’t answer the question. Would you be okey if apple released an official jailbreak tool?
Well, Apple certainly is a "monopolist" for app distribution on Apple's iOS.
I'll readily admit that there lies a certain irony in the fact EPIC that paid hundreds of millions of dollars for exclusivity of new high-profile gaming titles to their own EPIC store.
Apple is a monopoly regardless of whether it has sold one iphone or 1 billion iPhones. It’s a meaningless distinction.
No Apple is not monopolist per Case 4:20-cv-05640-YGR Document 812 Filed 09/10/21 - "the judge didn’t find Apple monopolistic". More over Epic's appeal to the Ninth Circuit to reverse the verdict comes off as Hail Mary stunt as is it insanely rare for appellate courts to rule for the plaintiff if the defendant won. As best the Ninth Circuit would kick it back for a retry hence Sweeny's 'as long as a 5-year process' claim.
No Apple is not a monopoly per Case 4:20-cv-05640-YGR Document 812 Filed 09/10/21. Deal with it.
Jailbreaking is what you need to do if you want to side load anything because apple doesn’t allow you to do it.
But if apple did allow side loading, then jailbreaking wouldn’t be needed anymore.
Cydia impactor can do anything a jailbroken phone can except provide root access.
But if they did as they are forced by the court as a way for people to side loading.
Or provide a switch inside the iPhone when purchased that people can change.
Cydia impactor have soon existed for 7 years ever since iOS 9. It will likely never stop working and could almost be seen as unofficial support by apple for sideloading. ??
Actually the last time Apple did license their OS to others it was a disaster as instead of growing the MacOS it broke the market into smaller pieces. When Apple got Jobs back he looked at the contracts ($50 for the OS per machine) came up new ones more favorable to Apple and offered them to the third party companies. He did this four or five time and every time they told him to "go pound sand." "We finally made the decisions we had to make." (Steve Jobs Killing the Clones) and he upgraded the OS effectively locking out the clone makers from updating their hardware.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome and Apple is not insane. Don't know about Epic though.
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Everybody has their own ideas on what the courts (and government) should be looking at.
No, it isn't. "Tim Sweeney wants one app store for every platform, probably in the metaverse" is the very title of the PC Gamer article I am pulling his quotes from. ie 'Epic's plan to clean up that confusion is to come up with a system enabling users "to buy software in one place, knowing that they'd have it on all devices and all platforms."'
"How it will go about bringing together that disparate assemblage of technologies and competing platforms is an unaddressed question, but it's reasonable to guess that it has something to do with the metaverse, the ill-defined concept of online worlds that we're pretty sure is a bad idea, although Sweeney himself is a dedicated (and legally acknowledged) adherent."
As I said You don't want to abide by the gated community's rules and regulations you go elsewhere - ie you go to Android. You do not get an "additional" choice within that gated community.
If nobody wants to use these shrives than the companies wouldn't keep them around. Business 101.
Install banned or pirated App ie open yourself to scams and/or break copyright law. I think various companies would love that second option. /s
You are side stepping the issue - ie why should apple release an official jailbreak tool?! Apple could easily point to the console market and say you say they can't jailbreak them due to it only helping pirates. Security is one of the things the California court said as an added feature of our platform - do you want to help pirates? /s
One app store that spanning multiple platforms to allow cross-platform buys. That doesn't mean it'd be the only monopolist's wet dream store to do so. There's just nothing in Tim Sweeney's statements to support that assertion.
In fact, he just clearly and publicly stated otherwise:
"I look forward to a day when all stores can compete fairly on all platforms free of OS monopoly taxes"
That's advocating competition among stores. Not a monopolist's wet dream.
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Epic: Apple is evil because it’s hoarding 60% of the mobile phone market! It’s a monopoly!
Also Epic: we want 100% of all markets on all devices and we think there should only be one store, ours.
Probably why people insist on using steam.
FYI. Mac App Store is practically dead as nobody wants to use it when steam is better in every way or other options
Meh, already a big risk. It can as easily just be apps that wouldn’t be allowed on the store for being to violent or using functions apple doesn’t currently allow developers to use.
Why? Well if they are forced to allow side loading it would effectively be a jailbreak, an official tool just moves the toggle in the settings to something more complicated through the computer.
And well Microsoft Xbox already allow side loading so probably not a good example
Apple could do many things without sacrificing safety as I have provided
Not supported by what they say.
Not supported by facts.
Taking legal action to break up a "monopoly" and setting legal precedent in doing so doesn't go well with establishing your own.
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How exactly is Apple a monopoly? Show us the legal backing to that. The law seems to disagree with you.
This is the problem with this whole debate. It's being run by people who don't have a clue. People here don't know what a monopoly actually is...because if the DID...they'd see pretty CLEARLY that Apple isn't one. Our dinosaurs in government don't understand technology enough to understand the consequences of what they're pushing.
Hopefully you’ve managed to keep the following quote from page one in mind, when saying Apple is not a monopoly. “Ultimately, after evaluating the trial evidence, the Court finds that the relevant market here is digital mobile gaming transactions.” The nature of the plaintiff’s particular business is the reason for the market being defined as such. That’s a different market than smartphone OS and application store market.
With this bit of info in mind:
“Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power.” -FTC
Do you think 35 state AG’s and the DOJ don’t know what a monopoly is?
I'd believe they actually know what a monopoly is if they were to actually do something about the monopolies in their states. For instance...I can't get anything other than Comcast where I live. Comcast is a literal monopoly here...and it's getting more expensive! There are plenty of competitors to Comcast...but you can't get them here. I'm not even in a rural area. I'm in a metro area!!! Not a single bit of effort is being brought up by our AG to change that monopoly. A monopoly is either bad...or it's not.
If they actually gave a crap, they'd do something about all of them, because I can tell you right now...the monopoly I mentioned above...has a bigger impact on all of us than any perceived "monopoly" Apple supposedly has. And again...outside of MacRumors...I've never heard ANYONE complaining about this at all. But I sure do hear a lot of complaints about Comcast! Complaints that fall on deaf ears in our state.
That’s more like leaving the App Store, not the iPhone.