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If Tim wanted to contact his own representatives (that is, his U.S. House representative and the two U.S. Senators from California) in his personal capacity, I see no issue with that — it’s fully his prerogative as an American citizen.

However, as a resident of Oklahoma myself, if I were to contact a representative from New York regarding a piece of legislation, they’d likely (rightfully) ignore my commentary because I’m not their constituent and they needn’t answer to me in any sense. Tim, of course, won’t receive that treatment because he’s wealthy and powerful.
 
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THIS! Apple is a wildly successful and profitable company... but in today's America success is vilified and we feel like we have to knock them down. But, as quoted, this is all just political grandstanding and a waste of our time and money. If people don't like Apple, don't use them, or develop for them. Period. But, as someone who has been an Apple user since the sledgehammer hit the big screen, I love how stable and secure it is. Yes, they control everything... hardware and software, but that is what makes the user experience so seamless and secure. Even if they are eventually forced to open to third-party app stores and/or payment methods, I will NEVER download for my Mac or Phone outside of the ecosystem. In the 37-ish years, I have been using Apple products, I have NEVER once had a virus. I have been a network administrator and work with PC's every day, and they are riddled with problems. In my personal life, nearly everything I use is Apple, because they have my TRUST. I love that this company focuses so much on security and the privacy of its users. That should be applauded, in my opinion.
Exactly.

It’s like a wound: you’re welcome to leave it open to see how it heals. I’m glad I have the option to close it up.
 
I didn't intentionally misunderstand your point, I categorically disagreed with the premise. Do you have some backup for your assertion (or fact) that "they’re accused of bribing and being underhanded. No double standard there"...not by one MR poster, but by a large enough universe that it's really a thing?
Below are two more instances for you. And nobody outside of MR or other Apple-centric sites cares enough about Apple to make ridiculous claims like "Apple lobbying good, everybody else lobbying evil." That's a phrase said solely by Apple fanatics that you only find in places like this one.

Epic using some of that Tencent blood money to make campaign contributions.
These AG’s are pretending to be acting “for the people” when they are simply running interference for competitors who know how to influence the priorities and policies of the officeholders. They don’t understand the issues. And their voters are bamboozled by propaganda into electing them into office.
 
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Actually, the propaganda is coming from Apple.. their whole anti sideloading argument is propped up by ignorant phone people. Our macs survive just fine being able to install apps directly from the developers and our phones will too.
My Mac doesn't have my health info or my banking app on it ? My phone does. Big difference there.
 
What is next for the stupid lawyers and politicians - you play a game where you sometimes have to buy coins or other items to play the game. Will the stupid then start all this to allow you to buy the coins not from the game itself but from a 3rd party and force the game developers to make changes to accept coins from a third party.
Don't do Apple if you don't like the way they make sure things are done.
 
That is no different from Ford not selling or servicing Toyotas. Also Apple wasn't make "half of all phones"

Apple 29.24%; Samsung 26.93%; Xiaomi 11.52%; Huawei 7.19%; Oppo 5.31%; Vivo 4.13% and before you complain about that being mobile devices iOS runs on iPad and so is relevant.


Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers threw Cydia's nonsense of a lawsuit out on its ear. Sure they have refile options but that judge already ruled on what Apple's market was and it was NOT iPhones

Improper comparison as Apple has never had a majority (>50%) in any general market. Nevermind there have been alternatives for Word from the get go. Apple had Macwrite and WordPerfect for Mac and on PC there was WordStar (1978) which had its last stable release when open source alternatives like OpenOffice, Abiword, and the like came out (1998-1999)
Apple is part of a duopoly. And it's a good thing this case is taking place in the U.S. where Apple enjoys ~60% market share.
 
If Tim wanted to contact his own representatives (that is, his U.S. House representative and the two U.S. Senators from California) in his personal capacity, I see no issue with that — it’s fully his prerogative as an American citizen.

However, as a resident of Oklahoma myself, if I were to contact a representative from New York regarding a piece of legislation, they’d likely (rightfully) ignore my commentary because I’m not their constituent and they needn’t answer to me in any sense. Tim, of course, won’t receive that treatment because he’s wealthy and powerful.
Wouldn’t he have grounds to speak with them because he operates a business within their state.
 
I hope Apple withdraws from states that do this until their technologically inept dinosaur legislators are forced to backpedal due to public backlash. If sideloading were allowed, immediately every garbage company/institution will withdraw from the app store and force you to sideload their app as the only way to get it. It'll be like when Netflix, a single beautiful cable TV replacement, was cut up into 100 individual annoying services because a bunch of companies got greedy.
In fact Apple has no reason to maintai the App Store at all which is what China’s Tencent wants. They own 40% of Epic and even 10% of Spotify. They want to remove a feature that Apple customers love so they can make a play to replace them with their phone offerings with its own Application Store integration and music services.

They legislators have no idea they are supporting a Chinese Company’s efforts to undermine an American Company.
 
Then let me explain, it's simple, Apple is now a monopoly or monopoly-like, and now it needs to share with others. It's too big and has too much influence. This is to the detriment of the population.

It's like copyright laws (well - as intended anyway) - you get your exclusive rights for 20, 25 years, then it needs to be considered public. If something experiences amazing success during that time, the creator and original holder will benefit greatly, but at some point, it is in the public interest to release their works into the wilds.

This is not to take anything from anyone, but the system was designed like this to both benfit society at large, and to give enough benefits to individuals to create new things. I think it's very much fair like that.

Of course in reality copyright law, like most other laws, have been made into a farce, where Disney extends its mickey mouse copyright forever and ever through various tricks and bribes, same for other big brands.

At this point Apple must be considered a quasi monopoly in phones - just like Microsoft once was (and still is in PC operating systems).

It is therefore in the interest of society at large to let other people build on top of the platform. 3rd party app stores are more or less a no brainer.

For example, if I want to create software that runs on people's phones, but the one company that makes half of all phones does not let me, but they also legally and technically prohibit me then that's anti-competitive behavior.

Take the example of Cydia - it is a working app store; why should Apple be allowed to use all sorts of technical tricks to lock them out? I don't think Apple needs to go out of its way to support them - but going out of their way to remove all competition when you are a monopoly is not acceptable.

That's like Microsoft wiping out the competition with Word, by adding intentional incompatibilities with 3rd party apps into the code.
How is apple a monopoly? As per definition
1: exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action
2: exclusive possession or control
3: a commodity controlled by one party

Apple currently has 45-50% market share in the US mobile market. I wouldnt say that justifies as a monopoly as 50% of the people use a different product. Now if you wanted to say that apple and android of a duopoly, you'd have a stronger point.
 
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Apple's conduct has also kept a lot of laborers in china poor, if you want to go with the whole "benevolent apple" angle
A lot of laborers in China make more with Apple production than they would make at similar jobs in China. And likely provide jobs that impact millions of families there.
 
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How is apple a monopoly? As per definition
1: exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action
2: exclusive possession or control
3: a commodity controlled by one party

Apple currently has 45-50% market share in the US mobile market. I wouldnt say that justifies as a monopoly as 50% of the people use a different product. Now if you wanted to say that apple and android of a duopoly, you'd have a stronger point.
Try ~60%.

 
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In fact Apple has no reason to maintai the App Store at all which is what China’s Tencent wants. They own 40% of Epic and even 10% of Spotify. They want to remove a feature that Apple customers love so they can make a play to replace them with their phone offerings with its own Application Store integration and music services.

They legislators have no idea they are supporting a Chinese Company’s efforts to undermine an American Company.

Bullseye. ;)
 
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I hope Apple withdraws from states that do this until their technologically inept dinosaur legislators are forced to backpedal due to public backlash. If sideloading were allowed, immediately every garbage company/institution will withdraw from the app store and force you to sideload their app as the only way to get it. It'll be like when Netflix, a single beautiful cable TV replacement, was cut up into 100 individual annoying services because a bunch of companies got greedy.
Attorneys General are part of the executive branch not the legislature.
 
Wouldn’t he have grounds to speak with them because he operates a business within their state.
To expand on my earlier reply to this, by this logic every Etsy seller who’s ever shipped something to a given state has a claim to the ears of that state’s congressional delegation — I mean, they operate a business within their state, no? Even if you believe it’s okay for a business to reach out directly to politicians, I’d argue that should be limited to states where Apple has a formidable corporate presence, which in my opinion would be limited to California and Texas.

Don’t know how anyone can watch state and local governments doing backroom dealing with and giving tax break handouts left and right to woo megacorporations and see that as all fine and dandy, though.
 
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I hope Apple withdraws from states that do this until their technologically inept dinosaur legislators are forced to backpedal due to public backlash. If sideloading were allowed, immediately every garbage company/institution will withdraw from the app store and force you to sideload their app as the only way to get it. It'll be like when Netflix, a single beautiful cable TV replacement, was cut up into 100 individual annoying services because a bunch of companies got greedy.
Are you Ayn Rand?
 
That is no different from Ford not selling or servicing Toyotas. Also Apple wasn't make "half of all phones"

Apple 29.24%; Samsung 26.93%; Xiaomi 11.52%; Huawei 7.19%; Oppo 5.31%; Vivo 4.13% and before you complain about that being mobile devices iOS runs on iPad and so is relevant.


Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers threw Cydia's nonsense of a lawsuit out on its ear. Sure they have refile options but that judge already ruled on what Apple's market was and it was NOT iPhones

Improper comparison as Apple has never had a majority (>50%) in any general market. Nevermind there have been alternatives for Word from the get go. Apple had Macwrite and WordPerfect for Mac and on PC there was WordStar (1978) which had its last stable release when open source alternatives like OpenOffice, Abiword, and the like came out (1998-1999)

People who don't understand what they are talking about never make great comparisons.
Ford and Toyota aren't platforms that lock you in. You lose NOTHING when you switch from one brand to another. Sure, maybe an accessory that was for a single vehicle... but you lose that upgrading to a new vehicle model from the same vendor.

If you spend $1000 on apps with Apple, and then switch to Android. You lose your apps. That lock-in factors in to the duopoly, because once you've invested in one platform you are unlikely to switch to the other - effectively making that duopoly a monopoly.

You might say "Well, I haven't spent a lot in the AppStore, it doesn't really effect me".....so good for you, then what do you care about the court case in the first place since it doesn't impact you?

A user can't up and move to a new phone without significant financial hurdles.
A developer can't drop in-app subscriptions/payments without significant financial hurdles (not being able to mention go to our website means less revenue)
A developer can't drop the platform because half of all the people in the United States use it, and they because of the lock-in even if they really want your app, won't be likely to follow you to a different platform.

It may not have started out as an abuse of a monopoly, but it most certainly has become one
 
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I agree, so long as they don’t profit from software that isn’t finished.

Software is almost never finished. There are always new bugs to fix, or changes to be made so the software will work with the latest platform OS or firmware upon which it runs.

Software holds a unique position in consumer law. Would you accept your car shutting off and restarting on the freeway? What if your front door just failed to lock sometimes? How would you feel if you only had a license to use your home, and not ownership?

I'm not sure how to fix these problems. Software IS incredibly complicated, so perhaps it should have special treatment. We accept companies releasing software that is essentially beta, turning paying customers into testers without compensation or agreement. But given the speed with which the software market operates, on all platforms, these software companies need to get to market fast. I can't think of a more fluid and fast-moving market.
 
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