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Epic's Case Against Apple in Australia Might Be Over
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What blows my mind that with all the legal fights, Tim still says Epic can come back to the store if they reverse their actions and comply. Steve wouldn’t be as nice.
Yep, and it also makes sense for the US court to be the one to run the primary trial as establishing the facts of the case will involve evidence from two US-headquartered companies. Most of the people who will be required to testify, and probably most of the documents that might be subpoened, will come from within the US. The US court is better placed to do the fact-finding.
It varies by state and court but generally here in Australia they wear wigs in the higher courts but not the lower, and for criminal matters more than civil. If you go to Macquarie Street in Sydney, to the Supreme Court of New South Wales (the highest court in the state, dealing with murders and only the biggest commercial cases), you'll see plenty of barristers in wigs on the street. If you go to a suburban Local Court (dealing all day with DUI, bar fights and shoplifting) you won't see anyone wearing one. Well, not amongst the lawyers, anyway...
I really hope more than just a few people notice how ridiculous they sound saying that.
Not to mention one of the issues is that intense competition in the App Store has driven prices to an all-time low. If anything, people need to be conditioned to pay more for apps, not less.
While I think gaming on the Mac sucks and always has(Classic OS was exception), I hope Apple loses big on this. All my support is for the other side to sue Apple.
That doesn't show that at all. These are both American companies and its a very complex legal situation that no judge wants to touch right now. Its a bit of a joke really that this is even a thing and Epic loses at almost every ruling because of how they handled the whole thing.
If someone wants to take on Apple they should probably pick somebody other than Epic to head that battle. This is like Jar Jar Binks taking on the Empire all by himself.
I don't agree with that at all. Part of the stability, security and popularity of iOS is because of its strict rules to protect consumers. Like it or not but Apple created what most consumers actually wanted. A no nonsense it just works platform and ecosystem. Take that away and you alter the brand value of that platform for everyone. If you want a more open mobile device you have Android as an option.
It has nothing to do for being an American Company or not. Usually you have to sue where the Company is registered and operate. E.g here in Germany it’s “Apple GmbH. Katharina-von-Bora-Str. 3 80333 München Deutschland”, but they can try over the EU route, or sue over each Country.
In Australia its “Apple Pty Limited ABN 46 002 510 054. Our registered office is at 20 Martin Place, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia.”
Australia simply depends of the USA, and fear getting into any economic troubles, and prefer being USA’s pet.
Epic avoid our kangaroo courts as you'll cop a wallaby of a punch. 😝😝😝 One Aussie that knows you won't achieve anything fighting Apple on my shores. Just ask our ACCC and ASIO about their Epic Failure with breaking the Apple Pay NFC access and decryption to iMessage. I feel very safe knowing that Apple has my interests as a consumer at heart and grateful that I was born in a free western country. 🙏
Because it is exactly the same facts and broadly similar laws (or possibly completely "harmonised" by an FTA), so there's a good chance that if Apple acted illegally anywhere they did everywhere and vice versa. It reduces the amount of dicking around that's otherwise possible (e.g. wanting to delay the trial in one jurisdiction because there's some evidence admissible in there that they're trying to exclude elsewhere). If the decision is even close to borderline, the loser can then appeal it to each of the national courts and argue about the fine details of applying their respective laws to the established facts.
That's because it employs people in America (locally hired, not diplomats etc.), owns land in America, and so on. The treasury probably does some trades on American markets too. You'll find pretty much every government listed there, and America will appear in most countries' register of corporation numbers for the same reasons.
Apple is going to be around a lot longer than Fortnite
Australian Gov: Epic, get the hell out of our courts. Stop wasting our time.
Epic: OK then! We will defend the rights of Australian consumers.... in Chino Hills! Remember our epic battle cry: This shrimp has not yet left the barbie!
Epic: OK then! We will defend the rights of Australian consumers.... in Chino Hills! Remember our epic battle cry: This shrimp has not yet left the barbie!
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Might be worth going back and reading some replies in this thread, will enlighten you.
not sure why epic even tries. Sewell said apple has a little over 500 lawyers on staff and a 1B budget for legal. I doubt epic's legal team is even close to that size.
The owner of epic is a wealthy man and has made of this issue a personal crusade.
Also, more money spent on lawyers increases your chances, probably, but doesn’t guarantee the result. If money was the deciding factor apple won’t ever loose a trial, but they loose court battles every now and then.
Apple could lose. David can take on Goliath. They (either apple or epic) could also appeal.
I think they are trying to say, everyone including Australians are having to pay more because, Epic is being forced to pay Apple.
Many countries that are part of the British Commonwealth have judges with powdered wigs. The difference is, Australia requires they wear them upside down.
I held a law degree once. I was helping a friend hang it on his wall. (For that one moment, he was the hanging judge.)
I remember when developers had to ride a dinosaur to the code mines uphill both directions. Back then, cell phones were made of two cans and a length of string. The cans were made out of rock because, no one had invented metal yet.
Now, get off my lawn!
Epic is a scumbag company that’s incredibly greedy. Let’s also not forget they have rocket league which brings in billions. So when chainstores sell their toys does that mean, target, Walmart etc have to sell it without making a profit on epic? This whole case is ********. That runt Ceo should be ashamed of himself.
Epic Games and Apple are involved in a highly public lawsuit in the United States, but Epic has also sued Apple in other countries, including Australia, in an attempt to boost its chances of getting a favorable ruling.
Things aren't quite going Epic's way, however, as the justice overseeing the case today decided that he's going to let the two companies battle it out in the United States.
According to Gizmodo Australia, the Australian case has been stayed for three months, and for anything to move forward, Epic Games has to file a lawsuit in California alleging violations of Australian Consumer Law.
Basically, the Australian judge wants Epic to file its Australian case in the United States, which would see Judge Gonzalez Rogers, who is overseeing the U.S. dispute, managing both cases. In this situation, Gonzalez Rogers would need to try the case under U.S. law, and then Australian law.
Epic Games has three months to file the Australian lawsuit in California, and if that doesn't happen, the Australian case will be permanently stayed.
The only way that the proceedings can be brought back to the Australian court is if Judge Gonzalez Rogers declines to determine whether Apple has violated Australian law. Epic can also appeal, but an appeal won't be heard until November at the earliest.
In a statement, Epic Games said that it "remains committed" to its fight in Australia and around the world.Regardless of Epic's decision on the Australia case, it is currently on hold while the legal battle plays out in the United States. Epic Games and Apple will meet in court on May 3.
Epic's attempt to expand its fight with Apple to the UK also fizzled out after the country's Competition Appeal Tribunal rejected the lawsuit and pushed it back to the United States. As in Australia, if the U.S. courts decline to rule on relief in the United States, the case can later resume in the UK. Epic has also appealed to the European Commission, but there is no ruling from the EU as of yet.
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