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How many of those will run Android 5.0 by December 31?

I would say very few, but it's much more fun to also mention that Samsung has released the Galaxy S II Plus a few weeks ago, is selling it for 5€ less than the Nexus 4 in Europe and guess what - It won't get Android 5.0!
That's what life with Android is like.

How many iPhones sold in 2013 will be able run iOS 7 by end of December?

100%!

If Android 5.0 can run 4.0 apps, why does it matter at all? So they don't get a update, how does that make the phone not work? When i make apps for the iPhone, i don't compile them for the newest, i compile them for the lowest version possible.

Since Galaxy 3+ is getting it and all new models are properly going to have it. I would guess 200+ million by December 31. Little less of half the devices shipped this year.

Even if Google added the most awesome feature you can think of to Android - the huge majority of Android users won't be able to use it until a year later.

And thats a problem why?

And please explain how earning 70% of the profits of ALL mobile phone makers is "being run down by a train"?

Let me demonstrate how that works, we both sell phones. Lets say we both have 100$ profit. You Bank most of yours, I reinvest mine in research of new materials. New ground breaking computer chips and factories. This puts my profit to zero, but you have to buy and repackage all my technology to keep up. You may have 99.9% of all the profit in the market, but i have solid inventions and technology, not some crappy round corner dressing patent.

In a few years, many of the companies that are making smartphones right now won't exist anymore, because there's only Apple and Samsung making profits.
HTC can't make enough of the HTC One because they lost their tier one status and have to wait for smartphone parts, because other companies are more important.

The "huge marketshare" of Android isn't like that because people using Android devices because they like Android, but because that's the cheap piece of plastic they got for free.
I think Firefox OS is an even worse OS than Android (All power to the cellphone companies!!!), but if it's cheaper for the providers, they'll sell those instead.

If Apple were to make a 199$ iPhone (unsubsidized) - that would be the end of Android winning in marketshare.

But they aren't interested in that kind of marketshare, because if you sold a hundred million devices with a profit of not very much per device - you would earn only "not very much" money in comparison to the money they're earning now, but would trash your margins, something that Wallstreet finds even worse than earning "only" 13 billion dollars in profit per quarter.


So, Apple will be run down by a train that has derailed, crashed and burned.

They'll get a flesh wound, nothing more serious.

You think apple is not interested in having their costumer base for their apple store doubled? Putting profit over vision, will cost you in the long run.

Apple is only a brand, they repackage technologies into neat cases with a good user experience, if the perception of their product would be damaged, they would have nothing left. Other than a stash of cash in the bank. When i upgraded my iPhone 4 to 5, i got what? an extra row of icons. The look , feel and my usage of it is still 100% the same. iOS has become stale look UI wise and people are getting tired of it.

Half my country has iPhones, but that is changing. Even the most android bashing, iPhone fanboys, friends of mine shifted to a samsung galaxy or HTC one X. The girls still cling to the iPhones thou.
 
If Android 5.0 can run 4.0 apps, why does it matter at all? So they don't get a update, how does that make the phone not work? When i make apps for the iPhone, i don't compile them for the newest, i compile them for the lowest version possible.

So you would compile for Android 2.3?

And thats a problem why?

Because the "Android has much cooler features than old boring iOS" is a wrong argument - all those cool features are not available to most people using the OS.

It's like saying Google has a much cooler product available with Google Glass than everything Apple offers, because 5 dudes have been allowed to buy the Google Glass developer kit.

Apple and Google work differently, while Gogle announces and releases every brainfart they have as a new beta product, Apple announces and releases stuff only when it's done.

Apple could have been working on something that makes Google Glass pale in comparison, but you wouldn't know until a few days (or in the case of completely new categories a very few months) before you can buy them.

Just look at the Galaxy S4 - it will not hit the market before end of April, they just announced it today to make sure that HTC and Sony look less interesting with their new devices.

Let me demonstrate how that works, we both sell phones. Lets say we both have 100$ profit. You Bank most of yours, I reinvest mine in research of new materials. New ground breaking computer chips and factories. This puts my profit to zero, but you have to buy and repackage all my technology to keep up. You may have 99.9% of all the profit in the market, but i have solid inventions and technology, not some crappy round corner dressing patent.

Ah, so you think that Apple is just a cheap company buying components, totally uninovating etc... The company doing the real innovations are Samsung, Sharp and Foxconn, hm?

You will most likely ignore this, but Apple asks those companies to develop and build components to their design, pays for machines for manufacturing those components, they design their own SoCs.

You think apple is not interested in having their costumer base for their apple store doubled? Putting profit over vision, will cost you in the long run.

But the majority of Android users don't use their devices to buy apps!!!

You can't increase the customer base with people who never buy something!

Apple is only a brand, they repackage technologies into neat cases with a good user experience, if the perception of their product would be damaged, they would have nothing left. Other than a stash of cash in the bank. When i upgraded my iPhone 4 to 5, i got what? an extra row of icons. The look , feel and my usage of it is still 100% the same. iOS has become stale look UI wise and people are getting tired of it.

Oh, Sony is just a brand, they repackage technologies into neat black cases with a gamepad.
Oh, Nintendo is just a brand, they repackage technologies into neat white cases with a gamepad, the real work is done by AMD, IBM and Foxconn... It's not the Nintendo Wii U, it's the IBM Wii U!!!
Oh, Microsoft is just a brand, they repackage.... Not Microsoft Xbox 360, Foxconn Xbox 360!!!!

Your comment is complete blahblah!

Oh, so the look and feel is all the same, people are getting tired of it...

Blah!

It's a damn operating system, it's not a game meant to entertain you, it's a platform to run the stuff that entertains you.

It's like getting rid of the mouse to replace it with a kinect like input method, just because the mouse has become "boring".
People's arms will fall of, but at least it's something new.

People are complaining about the new design of Windows 8 and want Windows 7 back - but the same people want a complete redesign of iOS?
 
Oh, so the look and feel is all the same, people are getting tired of it...

Blah!

It's a damn operating system, it's not a game meant to entertain you, it's a platform to run the stuff that entertains you.

It's like getting rid of the mouse to replace it with a kinect like input method, just because the mouse has become "boring".
People's arms will fall of, but at least it's something new.

People are complaining about the new design of Windows 8 and want Windows 7 back - but the same people want a complete redesign of iOS?

Great! Agree with every word.
 
Siri is still beta I think.

Maps?

Both are products that need to be used to get better.

Functionwise - what it can do - every version of Siri has been final, but voice recognition needs lots of data to get better.
The same with mapping programs, they require usage to get better.

It's nearly impossible to release a voice recognition that recognizes the voices of all people, so they called it beta because it can't ever be final.
Mapping -> Locations of WLANs etc...gets better with higher numbers of users.

At Google, even stuff that's easy to do and that other companies release as a "final" release is released as beta.
 
Both are products that need to be used to get better.

Functionwise - what it can do - every version of Siri has been final, but voice recognition needs lots of data to get better.
The same with mapping programs, they require usage to get better.

It's nearly impossible to release a voice recognition that recognizes the voices of all people, so they called it beta because it can't ever be final.
Mapping -> Locations of WLANs etc...gets better with higher numbers of users.

At Google, even stuff that's easy to do and that other companies release as a "final" release is released as beta.

Ah, it is only that you change the definition when the company name changes.
 
Ah, it is only that you change the definition when the company name changes.

Google Mail = In beta for years.

Every other mail program/service = Never released as a beta.

Mail programs/services don't need a public beta phase.
 
Google Mail = In beta for years.

Every other mail program/service = Never released as a beta.

Mail programs/services don't need a public beta phase.


IN as in still in beta? News to me...

Not to mention - it's feature rich and works well. "beta" if it's still used (which I don't believe it is like with Siri) is irrelevant.

Siri, Apple Maps - and I would even consider iCloud are still very much beta and act AS beta. My .02 of course.
 
I would bet my first born that Samsung is paying a bunch of college kids money to up vote comments on this board.

Damn, I wish Samsung (or any other company) would pay me to upvote comments on some forum. Regardless of pro-Apple or pro-Android content, I'd upvote them for some dosh.
 
I would bet my first born that Samsung is paying a bunch of college kids money to up vote comments on this board.

It couldn't possibly be that people just agree with that post and/or don't share your views. Clearly it HAS to be someone is being paid. :rolleyes:
 
Ries,

Why do you ignorantly and incorrectly believe apple makes all the money in the smartphone market because Samsung and others just invest all their money into r&d. First there is zero evidence to support it. Second it makes no sense, and third you might try an accounting class at Greendale.
 
@marksman

And also, Samsung is releasing - or announcing - at least 3 new smartphones every month -> R&D costs...

Apple is designing their own ARM cores, funding R&D at countless companies...


Saying Apple is not investing in R&D, therefore not an innovative company, is like saying consoles like the Wii or Xbox are not created by Nintendo or Microsoft, because the CPUs are made by IBM and the GPUs by AMD.
 
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