I and millions of others care. And you just quoted direct services, not clandestine data mining and targeted advertising.
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I and millions of others care. And you just quoted direct services, not clandestine data mining and targeted advertising.
Like Google? They're alright. I don't feel the need to white knight them or anything, and they have pulled some pretty hinky stunts in the past.
But no. I'm not defending Google. Not directly anyway. I'm arguing against the hyperbole and overt paranoia that usually surrounds them and their business model.
I can think of one situation they were involved in that was truly flat out scary: them setting it up so your every move was potentially tracked and recorded through your smartphone.
Now that? It's creepy. I can't think of a singe reason why any company would need to drill down into your life so intimately.
But here's the interesting thing. Apple was guilty of the exact same thing, and both of them appeared before congress blubbering apologies, and fixed their mistake shortly thereafter.
This isn't me saying "well Apple does it too" so much as me saying that both were just as guilty, and both paid a price for attempting something so stupid. Now, despite the fact both of them did this, and have been under the careful scrutiny of privacy watchdogs since, no one's had much of any reason to complain about them after that point. Yeah, Google does sometimes toe the line, but neither they nor Apple have done much of anything since to earn anyone's collective ire in this regard.
I keep an eye on all the tech news. Sometimes someone does something a little suspicious or stupid. All these companies are trying to see just how much they can get away with. But in the end, there's only so much they can get away with. If they try a little too much, go a little too far, well...I'm not so married to one platform I'm willing to stick with it through thick and thin. I'll just use something else. All I use Google for is Gmail and search anyway, so it's not like I'm heavily invested in their ecosystem or anything.
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Yep. Gotta feel a little pity, though I guess they are already getting charity with those free gmail accounts.
If I may please ask, what uninformed and uneducated comments has Phil made about Android?
Please ask any security researcher in the field of Android (or ask any security person), they will cite you hundreds if not thousands of papers in the field of Android security especially Malware Intrusion and Detection.
Well he made a pre-release claim that the Galaxy S4 would come out with a "year-old" Android version. The phone was announced a few days later sporting the current version 4.2.2.
That was a pretty stupid move.
You amuse me. I think that your noble quest to defend their honor will be rewarded with an extra google voice account one day. Keep it up.
Really?
OK... really? See below, again...
Whatever floats your boat, Hot Topic.
Oh yeah, I wonder why he'd say that.
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No software is 'impervious' to malware. But there is a lot of studies and research papers that do suggest that Malware is prevalent on Android and that too at a very deep level.
I am amazed did I ever say that 'nix OS were impervious to malware? Did I?
I guess not; so I wonder why you'd throw that on me.
What are you doing? Sitting in your smoking jacket swirling a snifter of brandy? I amuse you? Good god, that's corny.
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Sarcastic response more or less. Though you could posit that since Android is so riddled with malware, that it's possible OSX and iOS, both of which are based on a similarly structured 'nix OS, should be similarly at fault.
Mostly, Android gets infected due to Google's overly lax approach to the Play Store, and people sideloading apps. It's one of the major reasons why you don't see the same thing on iOS, unless one manages to slip by the vetting process. But it's not because it's a bad OS exactly. Far from it. It's not much different than Apple's stuff at its core.
Well no actually the phone hasn't come out yet. They are promising sometime in May but if you go by any of their other promises I wouldn't put much stock into that date. In any case, Google I/O is in May so by then Google will be releasing Key Lime Pie which means when the S4 is released it will already be on outdated Android software. I don't think Samsung cares though, they are doing their own thing. Android is just a way to get Google to do all the work.
I'm not sure what's the point of Google releasing new features for Android if very few people are using the version the new stuff requires like with Google Now. Heck, if Google Now does come to iOS that's 3 times as many potential users as with Android because so few Android users are on 4+.
So this is probably why Google's last couple of Android updates have been so lackluster and meh. There really isn't much benefit to Google.
This is also likely one of the reasons Andy Rubin got removed from his position. Android has been a dismal failure for Google. They have completely lost control and can't find a way to monetize it.
I expect Chrome OS to take a bigger role at Google with Android left lingering for years (like Reader) until one day they just pull the plug completely.
Stupid because it wasn't typical of Android products, or stupid because it now didn't apply to this latest phone?
Should Phil now be totally amazed that new Android products ship with the latest versions of Android?
I dunno, I don't think he's looks stupid. Maybe a bit like Mr. Potato, but mostly looks like a multimillionaire, mastermind genius to me. Seen his company's ads on TV? Aware of his company's products? There's no VP of Marketing doing a better job at that than Phil Schiller, that I can think of. Maybe even historically, the all time best VP of Marketing ever?
So considering that, and your assumption that the master VP of Marketing might have had a slightly less than perfect morning, you concluded that it was stupid. What did you do this morning? It has to be amazing!
Either way, I don't see anyone complaining because their Android phone has malware but I do see it for iPhones on this very board.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1381277/
You don't see any lax approach when it comes to Ad Blockers on the Play Store though. Google makes sure to remove those. Shows you where their priority is. Google is an ad company. Their platforms that actually make them money (Google Search Algorithms, Google Adwords, Google Adsense) are completely closed, secretive, and proprietary.
They do like to go into other people's markets and pretend they care about open source though and proclaim other companies products should be free and open so they can sell ads though.
Go figure.
I don't know why you are defending this disgraceful corporation. Are you being paid? They don't care about you or "open source". The sheep who believe this are hopelessly naive.
Umh he never said that Google cares about us... Nor did he say that Google was open source... Only Android is.
Yeahhhh - you're going to need to discuss that with google. As new info has been released, It has become clear that schmidt was lying. After being asked when Google Now would be available on IOS, he said that you would need to discuss it with Apple. When in fact, Google had never submitted the app. A discussion with Apple about the approval time of an app that hasn't been submitted will net you zero information. Douche move, schmidt.
schmidt likes to BS people too as evidenced by this stories updates.
that itself should tell you the kind of person he is.
that itself should tell you the kind of person he is.
Correct. I use Apple's maps but hardly even use that. I'm not a big maps user. I use safari and other non chrome browsers (iOS and OS X), I keep gmail as a spam only account which I never access ever (apart from a once a month delete, have to do that via web login). It's just there. All my email needs are done with @me and I only watch html5 youtube on my iMac.
All this keeps my iPad Google free.
1. Ever hear of google? If not, I provided below.
2. I have an unlimited data plan. They already don't allow me to tether - whether I jail break or not.
from http://www.apple.com/hotnews/apple-answers-fcc-questions/
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Also, even though Apple said they acted alone:
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Unfortunately no snifter of brandy, only Arizona Blueberry Green Tea, meh.
The guy with two references to a cheesy video game is throwing around "corny"? You used to have the cat pic right? So yeah, super amusing.
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I know, right?! It's not that your ****ed Android phone is much different at it's core from the iPhone that just happens to be working fine. Google doesn't really check their apps at all, but if Apple's screening maybe made a mistake, this same thing could happen to an iPhone. These Android phones really just get a bad wrap for being a POS architecture and ecosystem.
I think you may have succinctly wrapped up the entire marketing message of Android there. Only thing I'd recommend is working in something about how "open it is", something about those bigger screens, and you could probably get some real Google cash instead of just wasting your time here.
Heck he could have still make a jab at Apple's app approval process and still have been honest.
Indeed he basically said "ask Apple" and predictably they said "what? We don't know what he's talking about"
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No, Google admitted later that they did not submit anything to Apple:
http://www.loopinsight.com/2013/03/21/google-admits-it-lied-about-submitting-google-now-to-apple/
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