Why not? Let's exclude chargers from all tech products moving forward.So what? They should still ship them with a charger. I don't understand how anyone can defend Apple or any other company that might be doing this.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
Why not? Let's exclude chargers from all tech products moving forward.So what? They should still ship them with a charger. I don't understand how anyone can defend Apple or any other company that might be doing this.
I just purchased a 140w charger from Anker. I do have quite a number of their chargers lying around the house and at my workplace. I live in a country where a Macbook would come with a bundled charger, and even if Apple were to remove it in the near future, it's a non-issue for me.
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I feel that a lot of the problem (for me) stems from the fact that Apple-bundled chargers typically pale in comparison to what is available elsewhere. Third party chargers are typically cheaper (especially since Anker periodically discounts their products), sport better charging speeds and come with multiple ports. So yeah, include one, don't include one, I don't think I will be using Apple's charging bricks either way.
Apple prices in the EU have historically been adjusted to the conversion rate between the US Dollar and the Euro at the time the new product is launched. For example, the Airpods Pro 3 also have a lower launch price than the Airpods Pro 2 in many EU countries. The exchange rate between the US Dollar and the UK Pound probably fluctuated less.Pricing adjustments partly offset the omission in some regions. In several European countries, the new 14-inch MacBook Pro is approximately €100 cheaper than its predecessor, although the UK model retains the same starting price.
Why not? Let's exclude chargers from all tech products moving forward.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
How is this affecting EU customers negatively? What am I defending here, the fact that customers who don't need the charger can save money? When you go through the order process Apple tells you there is no power supply included and once you add the Macbook to the cart it prompts you to add a charger and Applecare. They make it very clear and don't hide this.So what? They should still ship them with a charger. I don't understand how anyone can defend Apple or any other company that might be doing this.
The law "ensures that consumers will be able to purchase new electronic devices without having to obtain a new charger each time," but it does not prevent manufacturers from supplying one. In practice, this means companies must provide a version of each product that can be purchased without an adapter, while retaining the freedom to include a charger or offer it free of charge.
Apple's decision to remove the charger entirely from the EU boxes therefore goes beyond what the law requires. The company could, for example, offer customers the option to include a charger at checkout for no additional cost, as long as it also sells a version without one. The lack of charger in the UK is even more unnecessary, since it is not part of the European Union.
The move to charge separately for adapters is therefore a business choice by Apple, not a legal necessity. The company's approach simplifies logistics and packaging, avoiding the need for separate SKUs in Europe, but it also shifts the cost to customers who do not already own a compatible charger.
Which countries in the EU did not see a price reduction for the base M5 relative to the base M4?Not everywhere, at all.
Well, the Euro vs dollar value balance is changing rapidly to the Euro being the stronger. Trump is happy and it seems the Eurozone got "cheaper" Macs as well. All are happyApple actually decreased pricing.
In France for example:
€1899 - M4 MacBook Pro with charger
€1799 - M5 MacBook Pro without charger
€1864 - M5 MacBook Pro with separate 70 W charger
BTW, we just use a 35 W charger for our M4 MacBook Air. Actually we sometimes even just use the 15 W USB-C port built into our electrical wall outlet. I was gonna swap that wall outlet to 30 W USB-C but it turns out we haven’t needed to.
I know UK prices was unchanged and charger removed but that is not EU.Which countries in the EU did not see a price reduction for the base M5 relative to the base M4?
I know that they didn't change in the UK. I'm just wondering where the other commenter has seen EU prices that are not lower, or if that commenter is just making a claim without evidence.I know UK prices was unchanged and charger removed but that is not EU.
How does Apple benefit from p*ssing off its EU customers when Apples beef is with EU govt.?
Apple was required to offer the choice of charger or not in the EU. Apple didn't like giving their customers a choice so chose for them. No adaptor for U!
Not in the UK, where the price is the same as the M4 (if you read the article) and referencing "£50" says the poster is in the UK.They did better than that. They reduced it by 100€
This is embarrassing... I'm at the point of wondering where my brand loyalty is... This is not the Apple I bought into 15 years ago and it is not the Apple I feel like staying with, should the direction of travel not differ from the current route.
Well Apple’s been under Tim’s stewardship for 20 years now. He’s dramatically increased shareholder value and Apple’s fortunes at the same time, sucking out the heart, soul, and humanity from Apple.
The last paragraph clearly contradicts this statementApple saw a way to reduce the cost and blame the government. They seem more intent on squeezing every last penny from their customers.
Pricing adjustments partly offset the omission in some regions. In several European countries, the new 14-inch MacBook Pro is approximately €100 cheaper than its predecessor, although the UK model retains the same starting price.
My Macbook Air M2 60W Charger is essentially new, i did not use it more than 0,x% because:Selling a computer without a charger is ridiculous. Apple’s greed knows no limits
They'd need to not have a single USB-C charger at home. Even my tiny old smartphone charger that provides mere 1A at 9V for a total of 9W power allows me to power my M4 Macbook Pro and even charge it slowly over night. And that's the very worst USB-C charger I got from some old Google Nexus phone. It's probably a full 10 years old by now.This is just going to annoy customers that buy the product on line or from a third party retailer and may not realise that it does not come with a charger. Then when it arrives they can't do anything with it until they get the charger.
It might vary from market to market, but in Poland, the price for the MacBook Pro M5 this year is much lower than M4 last year. Even if you buy the bigger power adapter separately, it is still cheaper.