EU Has 'No Intention' to Repeal DMA Following Apple Challenge

[Happy_John]

Really love this EU criticism on MacRumors! As far as I know, several other countries worldwide are planning or evaluating similar or other regulations, including Japan and South Korea. But it seems people here love to bash the EU. Interestingly, when Apple immediately complies with China’s strict regulations (which, for example, caused the loss of permanent AirDrop for everybody), nobody seems to care. Truly ridiculous hypocrisy.

The criticism of the EU on here is clearly nothing to do with tech, but has a lot to do with the realization that Europe isn't looking up to the USA anymore, it's looking downwards at the USA, sometimes laughing but mostly cringing.

I guess it's getting harder and harder to believe in Manifest Destiny when it's clearly going very wrong.

I'm off to a doctor's appointment tomorrow. The charge for the medical treatment will be zero. Then walk home with no fear whatsoever of some random maladjusted manbaby shooting me for no reason at all. And then I'll eat my dinner of chicken salad that hasn't been washed in chlorine.

In my experience, there are very very few Europeans who wish they were living in the USA right now.

But yeah, USA's the best, man. It must be awful to live as a European peasant in a freedomless, godless wasteland.

 

[macbookj0e]

Whether it’s a good thing or bad, apple do seem to have a point in that they are targeted at times when Samsung aren’t. They seem to be unfairly treated in some situations.

 

[danpass]

So if Apple doesn't comply they can just say goodbye?

What penetration does Apple have into the EU?
34% and less?

hmmmm ....

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[Plutonius]

Of course not.

It's a big money maker for the EU.

 

[ginkobiloba]

Of course they have no intention to repel the DMA , because their real intention is clear now. Weakening privacy and security from Apple devices is a necessary step for the EU to implement the biggest privacy-invading , encryption-breaking law ever made outside of China : ChatControl which is about having all devices scanning our messages and photos constantly by an AI we know nothing about, and automatically transmitting any suspicious messages to the authorities.

The fact that the EU implemented regulations that were protecting us (Europeans) in the past like GPDR, makes it even more shocking to discover what they are about to force on us. The UK tried and failed, but the EU might just succeed.

(Even funnier is the astroturfing from members here and other social media to downplay the impact of this law in the public opinion….)

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nbj3dh/chat_control_is_about_to_become_a_reality

 

[bmustaf]

I live in Europe and am not comfortable with the EU knocking a hole in the security of the Walled Garden.

The more it profits developers to list outside the AppStore, the less variety users will find inside it.

Being forced to download from outside removes the additional security apple’s vetting processes provided.

In addition there is no guarantee that, nor protection against, a clean download from outside won’t be replaced with a corrupted one at the developer’s discretion. (App Store wasn’t 100% but we lose this extra protection if we can only get a desired app from a 3rd party non App Store site).

And when these rogue apps do damage the EU will 1) blame Apple, and 2) offer no compensation to injured users for a problem they the eu facilitated.

I say this as a person who is a big supporter if the EU project.

I don't think the 'bad guy' here is the EU as much as it is the false dichotomy drawn between security and open markets.

The implication that these are mutually exclusive is one drawn by Apple (and other market makers/intermediates looking to create revenue-tied ecosystems), not the EU.

The only "security" at question here is AAPL (or similar's) revenue security. Actual user security is only loosely related (e.g. the Venn Diagram has very minimal overlap, and is most certainly not a circle as Apple or your words posit)

 

[AnTaR3s]

Many comments on EU-related topics seem so crazy to me. I mean, the EU is basically the only zone in the world where they at least try to conserve privacy at a minimum. Just think about what Apple does to appease China. There of course no one bats an eye...because it's China. But as soon as Apple doesn't want to deal with EU law, the EU all of a sudden is the bad guy.

 

[Etc_]

So if Apple doesn't comply they can just say goodbye?

What penetration does Apple have into the EU?
34% and less?

hmmmm ....

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The EU is Apple’s biggest revenue market after America, accounting for about one quarter of the total revenue. The threat that Apple will leave the EU market is empty.

 

[Biro]

It’s only a matter of time before the malware that gets into Apple’s heretofore bulletproof mobile platforms as a result of the EU’s DMA makes it to devices here in North America. When that happens, who is going to make us whole again? What price will the EU pay?

 

[Happy_John]

It’s only a matter of time before the malware that gets into Apple’s heretofore bulletproof mobile platforms as a result of the EU’s DMA makes it to devices here in North America. When that happens, who is going to make us whole again? What price will the EU pay?

FFS, do you honestly believe devices in North America are more secure than devices in Europe? You think the malware goes FROM Europe TO the USA? oh dear ....

 

[jz0309]

Of course they would respond like this, but maybe they will rethink some of the regulations that clearly counter-innovation.

Europe loves bureaucrats and taxes.

 

[ginkobiloba]

Yes, having people look out for the interest of the citizens sure is odd huh.
While the DMA could use some tweaking the base idea is solid.

In what world is ChatControl looking for the interest of its citizens ?

 

[Etc_]

It’s only a matter of time before the malware that gets into Apple’s heretofore bulletproof mobile platforms as a result of the EU’s DMA makes it to devices here in North America. When that happens, who is going to make us whole again? What price will the EU pay?

You do understand that apps from third-party stores are still notarized (and therefore checked for malware) by Apple, right? So if there is any malware, it’s because Apple failed in the first place. Secondly, even apps from third-party stores are still sandboxed. People really think these apps get root permissions and can do whatever they want on the device…

 

[turbineseaplane]

even apps from third-party stores are still sandboxed. People really think these apps get root permissions and can do whatever they want on the device…

I wish folks understood this.
iOS has a great security model design, for all Apps, irrespective of sourcing location (app store or side loaded).

There is nothing magical happening with Apps that are sourced from the Apple iOS App Store.

 

[andrewxgx]

So if Apple doesn't comply they can just say goodbye?

What penetration does Apple have into the EU?
34% and less?

hmmmm ....

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that 34% market share translates to 25% of apple's total revenue. unless you want their stock chart too look like enrons, they cant quit europe.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Of course they have no intention to repel the DMA , because their real intention is clear now. Weakening privacy and security from Apple devices is a necessary step for the EU to implement the biggest privacy-invading , encryption-breaking law ever made outside of China : ChatControl which is about having all devices scanning our messages and photos constantly by an AI we know nothing about, and automatically transmitting any suspicious messages to the authorities.

The fact that the EU implemented regulations that were protecting us (Europeans) in the past like GPDR, makes it even more shocking to discover what they are about to force on us. The UK tried and failed, but the EU might just succeed.

(Even funnier is the astroturfing from members here and other social media to downplay the impact of this law in the public opinion….)

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nbj3dh/chat_control_is_about_to_become_a_reality

This is off topic

 

[turbineseaplane]

I love these two developer posts (one of whom works at a central CA fruit company)

 

[ChrisMac47]

Apple needs to stop whinging and being so negative. (Remember all that fuss about the Lightning Connector and USB C?)

Mobile/Cell phones are a commodity now, and that means a device or software from one company has to work, within reason, with a similar device/software from another company. Apple have made "concessions": for example, did you know you are actually allowed to make a telephone call to a Google Pixel phone from an iPhone? Yes, really, it's true! What an amazing concession from Apple. (Remember all the fuss about sending Messages to non-Apple phones?)

Can you imagine if your electricity supply company said you can only use its electricity for certain makes of appliance but not others?

So if Apple offer, for example, iPhone handoff to a Mac, it must also offer it to any other computer. Instead, they keep us consumers in the "Apple Prison", with no choice to use devices from other manufacturers.

The EU and other regulatory agencies around the World are right to require Apple and other tech companies to open up their consumer-prisons.

 

[simps100]

Yes, having people look out for the interest of the citizens sure is odd huh.
While the DMA could use some tweaking the base idea is solid.

I’d say it’s like a lot of tech regulation, good ideas in theory implemented by people who have no clue about the technology they are trying to regulate leading to it being a mess.

 

[canadianreader]

Of course they have no intention to repel the DMA , because their real intention is clear now. Weakening privacy and security from Apple devices is a necessary step for the EU to implement the biggest privacy-invading , encryption-breaking law ever made outside of China : ChatControl which is about having all devices scanning our messages and photos constantly by an AI we know nothing about, and automatically transmitting any suspicious messages to the authorities.

The fact that the EU implemented regulations that were protecting us (Europeans) in the past like GPDR, makes it even more shocking to discover what they are about to force on us. The UK tried and failed, but the EU might just succeed.

(Even funnier is the astroturfing from members here and other social media to downplay the impact of this law in the public opinion….)

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nbj3dh/chat_control_is_about_to_become_a_reality

Thank you for mentioning this!

 

[IceCool]

Whether you like it or not, Apple is absolutely correct on most of their points.

The DMA does obliterate consumer choice. I have been arguing this for years now. Apple opening up every feature to third party manufacturers prevents them from being able to attract consumers with their own exclusive feature sets - a core principle of competition between companies.

There is no benefit to consumers with the DMA. Consumers as in 99% of the end users, rather than the <1% of technologically oriented individuals here.

 

[nordique]

Pros and cons both ways. Apple should be allowed to protect its intellectual property.

I think if Apple has a way they want to conduct their business, they have that right. But people have a right to not purchase an Apple product as well. Don’t force Apple to become android; just buy an android and let iOS be what it is.

There is also the bigger and deeper discussion about security.

 

[Biro]

FFS, do you honestly believe devices in North America are more secure than devices in Europe? You think the malware goes FROM Europe TO the USA? oh dear ....

Malware will go FROM Europe TO North America as a result of third-party app stores. IOS and iPadOS are very secure as is. You can make a different argument about macOS, on which sideloading is possible. But Apple’s walled garden for its mobile platform is very secure.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Whether you like it or not, Apple is absolutely correct on most of their points.

The DMA does obliterate consumer choice. I have been arguing this for years now. Apple opening up every feature to third party manufacturers prevents them from being able to attract consumers with their own exclusive feature sets - a core principle of competition between companies.

There is no benefit to consumers with the DMA. Consumers as in 99% of the end users, rather than the <1% of technologically oriented individuals here.

There is so much incorrect here or strangely looked at 180 degrees from where one would expect, I don't even know where to begin.

 

[andrewxgx]

Of course they have no intention to repel the DMA , because their real intention is clear now. Weakening privacy and security from Apple devices is a necessary step for the EU to implement the biggest privacy-invading , encryption-breaking law ever made outside of China : ChatControl which is about having all devices scanning our messages and photos constantly by an AI we know nothing about, and automatically transmitting any suspicious messages to the authorities.

The fact that the EU implemented regulations that were protecting us (Europeans) in the past like GPDR, makes it even more shocking to discover what they are about to force on us. The UK tried and failed, but the EU might just succeed.

(Even funnier is the astroturfing from members here and other social media to downplay the impact of this law in the public opinion….)

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nbj3dh/chat_control_is_about_to_become_a_reality

the funny thing here is, it was Apple's idea to begin with (the on device CSAM scanning they wanted to put in their phones, that thankfully was abandoded)