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Tell me one tech company that does not in some way deal or support China. Where do you think the components are made? Apple cares more about privacy than others and they have not given me reason to doubt that. The fact that Facebook and others are pissed off lets me know they are on the right track. And Apple has never said they do not access your data they state they do not sell it. They use it to make their services better for the purposes of better products. And to that end. End to end encrypted iCloud backs could be good but you also may have a lot of people lose data for forgotten passwords and what not. And worse than Google. I think not. They are selling your data to companies you have not even heard of before and who knows if those companies are all legit.

What does China has to do with this topic? Why is China always been dragged into discussions?
 
Apple had iTunes long before the iPhone was out. Streaming music is a natural evolution of providing music. How is this unfair?
 
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Technically that platform was for selling music , that is a different market to streaming music. As it was installed early in iOS a challenge against iTunes would be difficult as it could be cited as a reason why people bought into the ecosystem in the first instance.
Music streaming is a natural evolution of purchasing music.
 
Apple can easily avoid this by setting the commission they charge direct competitors to zero. If an Apple service exists in a category, then the category's rate should be zero.

So, if you are a music app, like Spotify or Pandora, a fitness app like Peloton, or a streaming app like Disney+ or Netflix, then Apple should say there is no commission on their in-app purchases so that Apple does not lend itself an unfair advantage.

Either that, or Apple collects 30% of it's own app/service purchases to split equally among it's competitors.
 
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Meanwhile our government take taxes on our money and nobody is suing them ...

Because all the government services, benefits, public spending, education etc cost money and you are using these benefits.

You are welcome to create your own country and not charge tax. Let us see how long your country will last
 
If Apple cared about security and privacy, why do they set Google as the default search engine and let users setup Gmail through Apple Mail? Better yet, why let any Google app through the App Store? Talk about collecting data…
 
These are toys, Phones are general purpose devices, deeply involved into social life and other market types. It’s a payment device, and in a few countries even holds your Personal ID, Driver License, or Social Number. Apple is diving into new territories, and they will have to obey the rules.
A smartphone is also a toy. An essential device as a Cell Phone can still be accomplished with a non-smart phone or a very limited smart phone - jitterbug for example which my grandparents have. My parents actually stated the other day they want to get away from iPhone when they retire - too much for them to deal with these days. They just need something to text and call.
 
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Because all the government services, benefits, public spending, education etc cost money and you are using these benefits.

You are welcome to create your own country and not charge tax. Let us see how long your country will last
I wish, but all of these governments took all of the land just to sell it back to their own people. We the people can’t even own land on the moon unless you’re a billionaire.
 
A smartphone is also a toy. An essential device as a Cell Phone can still be accomplished with a non-smart phone or a very limited smart phone - jitterbug for example which my grandparents have. My parents actually stated the other day they want to get away from iPhone when they retire - too much for them to deal with these days. They just need something to text and call.
Your parents are wise! Like! +1
I will also throw out all that digital B$ as “soon” I retire in approx. 30 years. Well, with corona lock downs, and probably more lock dows in the future, a video call feature also makes sense, but that’s all.
 
Your parents are wise! Like! +1
I will also throw out all that digital B$ as “soon” I retire in approx. 30 years. Well, with corona lock downs, and probably more lock dows in the future, a video call feature also makes sense, but that’s all.
Why wait 30 years. Today’s as good a day as any.
 
Because all the government services, benefits, public spending, education etc cost money and you are using these benefits.

You are welcome to create your own country and not charge tax. Let us see how long your country will last
And Spotify using Apple environment, OS, payment processing, xcode, marketing, distribution platform and other resources that Apple created and maintain so other could use them.

Spofity are welcome to create their own os and not charge tax. Let us see how long their os will last :)


I work for a big ecommerce company (just like Amazon) and the platform sell their own products but you as a seller can join the marketplace and sell your own products on our platform. We have a tax for this! Devs needs to be paid, support, distribution, marketing and many other departments that you as a seller don't need to do it. You are free to create your own website and platform and not charge a tax :)

But in the end the 5%-30% tax is less than creating your own website, paying your own dev team, maintaining support line, paying for marketing, and the list can go on.

That's how things works, everywhere! Goverment, Amazon, shop from the corner, everyboy has a tax!
 
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No different to MS and Internet explorer decades ago as far as I can see.
Not even close. Microsoft threatened OEMs if they uninstalled IE or installed a different browser. Microsoft also claimed IE could not be uninstalled. Apple does neither of these. In fact, Apple provides a store where Spotify can be downloaded for free. No cost to Spotify for bandwidth, etc. Also, Apple provides the ability to uninstall Music, and even the recent ability to set Spotify as the default music app.
 
How does Apple have the ability to affect market pricing for the mobile device market? Last time I checked there were still tons of cheap Android phones around of which the price is hardly, if at all impacted by any changes Apple makes.

If you look at mobile app distribution, which you could reasonably argue is a market, I am not convinced Apple can materially alter pricing there either. Apple's competitors in for example music are perfectly able to ask similar prices for their services as Apple through their websites. They wouldn't be able to do that if in general the App Store fees were a huge burden to them. Also, iOS is not the only means of conversion for them and there are plenty of users who buy through the websites of those platforms.

I'm not defending the height of Apple's fees, maybe they can be lower across the board. And maybe it's a good idea to allow companies to mention the ability to buy through their website. Those options should be considered. I just think that basically opening up iOS will not offer any benefits to users, only problems.

Apple absolutely have material market pricing ability in app distribution. There are literally dozens of examples of companies directly citing that their pricing has to take in to account Apple's mandatory 30% cap. Apple will lose this case. Badly.
 
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And Spotify using Apple environment, OS, payment processing, xcode, marketing, distribution platform and other resources that Apple created and maintain so other could use them.

Customer already payed for the device and licensed the OS. Don’t think Spotify contends paying for the App Store app hosting service and app review. But contends that an in app purchase is their sale not an App Store sale. Why are they being forced to give the sale to someone else? Well because that someone else can ban their app from their customers phones

On issue of using Apple tech. Don’t think they mind paying for development and production licenses How much is it?.

Still what about Apple using energy, coms, your house, your TV … so on and so forth? If everyone thought on a 30% basis there would not be enough money in the world to pay for a piece of bread.

Imagine the App Store with almost no third part Apps? Would they be able to sell an iPhone? Humm, maybe it should be the digital services requiring a share in the iPhone revenue no? How many customers than they bring to iOS devices.

The relationships of this kind are mostly simbiótic man. Not a master slave. The only reason it is at the moment is the 50% market share in the US. Google likewise. Hence the case for market position abuse.
 
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Microsoft have a 30% commission on their Xbox store (where you buy games, films, etc). Sony has the same on the PS store, as does Nintendo.

Spotify seem to only be going after Apple for being Anti competitive…. and Apple are the ones bullying? 🤔
Does Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, et al, take an existing game made by a third party, duplicate it entirely, make changes to the UI to avoid DMCA, and sell it for less on their stores?
 
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These are toys, Phones are general purpose devices, deeply involved into social life and other market types. It’s a payment device, and in a few countries even holds your Personal ID, Driver License, or Social Number. Apple is diving into new territories, and they will have to obey the rules.
100% this. Why does the whole Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft thing continue to come up? It’s apples and oranges, people.
 
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