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As for your second paragraph, I'm not sure what all those things you list have to do with the topic at hand. Apple isn't trying to change any of those things.
They're just examples of things that are - fortunately - standardized, often by government regulation.
 
The EU made it very clear. Reduction of electronic waste. Electronic devices shouldn‘t include a charger. Interoperability and Usability - just to name a few. And the EU approached the industry. It did so in 2009 but Apple circumvented this with an adapter. So the EU asked the industry again for a common standard. It failed - JUST because of Apple. So in a last and final move an Anti Apple law will be released.
Apple is just a company, a big one for sure, but the EU is bigger. The EU regulated Microsoft and Google and it will regulate Apple, too.
And there ain't nothing we or Apple can do about it. Thank GOD! ?
 
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The EU made it very clear. Reduction of electronic waste. Electronic devices shouldn‘t include a charger. Interoperability and Usability - just to name a few. And the EU approached the industry. It did so in 2009 but Apple circumvented this with an adapter. So the EU asked the industry again for a common standard. It failed - JUST because of Apple. So in a last and final move an Anti Apple law will be released.
Apple is just a company, a big one for sure, but the EU is bigger. The EU regulated Microsoft and Google and it will regulate Apple, too.
I understand the history of how the EU got here. I just think it’s wrong.

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I really hope the EU follows through with this. Monopolies aren't good, and most consumers would be very happy to see the back of the lightning port. Apple can switch over no problem, as they already sell the chargers, cables, etc.
 
I understand the history of how the EU got here. I just think it’s wrong.

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That is also my opinion. But is isn‘t the fault of the EU. Apple should have adopted the USB-C port, knowing that it will loose in the end. And now it didn‘t only loose, it looses. ig time and everyone else looses, cause now we‘re getting a law nobody wants and nobody needs.

Thank you, Apple!
 
This should not be allowed! Countries should not be telling companies how they should make their products. If it’s cheaper to do lightning the company should be allowed to use lightning. Next they will be forcing all phones to have High refresh rates or be bullet proof. Yeah it would be cool as a consumer, but a company Should be allowed to decide what features they want to put in a product they designed.
 
That is also my opinion. But is isn‘t the fault of the EU. Apple should have adopted the USB-C port, knowing that it will loose in the end. And now it didn‘t only loose, it looses. ig time and everyone else looses, cause now we‘re getting a law nobody wants and nobody needs.

Thank you, Apple!
But why should Apple have adopted usb-c? On what moral principle is this based?

It’s like you’ve described a situation where a bully says “do what I want you to do and if not I’m going to beat the crap out of you” and then blaming the victim when they get hit.
 
They're just examples of things that are - fortunately - standardized, often by government regulation.

Yes, but there's a world of difference between, say, an electrical outlet and a port on a smart phone. First of all, there would be no reason for outlet manufacturers or home builders to want to use a different standard anyway. Secondly, an electrical outlet has to conform to a standard for obvious safety reasons. So government regulation makes sense with something like that. With an iPhone port, it makes no sense. Nothing critical is at stake there and consumers have a choice.
 
This should not be allowed! Countries should not be telling companies how they should make their products. If it’s cheaper to do lightning the company should be allowed to use lightning. Next they will be forcing all phones to have High refresh rates or be bullet proof. Yeah it would be cool as a consumer, but a company Should be allowed to decide what features they want to put in a product they designed.

"Countries should not be telling companies how they should make their products."

OK, you obviously don't remember when young Ralph Nader literally had to sue the government to get the car companies to make their cars safer (at the time, they were death traps). Or to stop toy companies using glass in their fillers. Large corporations DGAF when it comes to their bottom line. They spend billions lobbying government to keep government sweet. If they can get away with it, they will.

If companies won't do right by the consumer, the consumer has every right to turn to government to force the company to do the right thing. And the only way customers have to fight back against the lobbying is legal avenues and political mobilization. Europeans are a lot better than this than Americans. That's why Europeans have better stuff.
 
They already do, as they should in clear cut cases. Cars are regulated in all sorts of ways. Apple's been getting away with adding electronic WASTE for years. Stop defending Apple, this isn't an area where you need to be their cheerleader.
Imagine if they dictated that you had to have a nozzle for gasoline, even on EV's. Would kind of make it hard to create/sell a car in the EU that doesn't use gasoline no? Because that's what this is. This would prevent anyone from developing any tablet, Phone, laptops, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, etc. from being able to have some new form of charging because they'd be limited to having to have a USB-C port on them. Want to test a portless tablet? What about portless headphones that only charge via QI? Nope, can't. They have to have USB-C.

Stop making this Apple vs USB-C because it isn't, it's larger than that.
 
Is the EU going to regulate that hotels, airports, gyms, etc. put USB-C ports in all replacing the USB-A ports that exists in many places?
Government shouldn't punish anyone for their success.
 
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Imagine if they dictated that you had to have a nozzle for gasoline, even on EV's. Would kind of make it hard to create/sell a car in the EU that doesn't use gasoline no? Because that's what this is. This would prevent anyone from developing any tablet, Phone, laptops, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, etc. from being able to have some new form of charging because they'd be limited to having to have a USB-C port on them. Want to test a portless tablet? What about portless headphones that only charge via QI? Nope, can't. They have to have USB-C.

Stop making this Apple vs USB-C because it isn't, it's larger than that.
This is a ridiculous example. WHY would the EU in a million years require a gasoline nozzle on an EV? Come on.

And if you want a portless tablet, have at it. The legislation doesn't address that. Its about port standardization. Not about what you can do over wireless or contactless data transfer.

Stop making things up.
 
Wrong based on what metric? Companies are forced to use standard interfaces all the time. It's why we have a standard interface for charing electric vehicles and Tesla wasn't allowed to use their own. Everyone benefited from that because now teslas don't need adapters at non-tesla chargers and non-teslas can theoretically use the Tesla charging stations.
There are multiple standards, even in dealing with electricity.
 
This is a ridiculous example. WHY would the EU in a million years require a gasoline nozzle on an EV? Come on.

And if you want a portless tablet, have at it. The legislation doesn't address that. Its about port standardization. Not about what you can do over wireless or contactless data transfer.

Stop making things up.
Making things up? Did you not read the text in the article? It’s for all devices. Portless devices cannot exist.
Read it again
 
Apple’s solution should be keeping Lightning port on the phone and ship a USB-C to Lightning dongle just to slap the EU in the face.
 
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This is going to be a mess. The next standard will come along and it'll take years and years to adopt it because they won't bother to pass new legislation to update things.

It's rarely good when government regulates tech. It generally leads to holding everything back.
There is a provision for this in the legal doc, by the way, so your point is mute.. But I do agree to some extent.. Though USB-C supports up to 100 watts power...

I would love for all countries to have the same plug also here in Europe.. We sort of do with the two-prong ones.. But not the ones with grounding..
 
Everyone complaining about "What happens when USB-D or USB-E comes along..." Dudes, USB-A/B were around for DECADES, and they weren't good designs in the first place. USB-C is when USB was finally done RIGHT. I really hope there isn't a new USB connector for MANY DECADES to come.
 
The EU made it very clear. Reduction of electronic waste. Electronic devices shouldn‘t include a charger. Interoperability and Usability - just to name a few. And the EU approached the industry. It did so in 2009 but Apple circumvented this with an adapter. So the EU asked the industry again for a common standard. It failed - JUST because of Apple. So in a last and final move an Anti Apple law will be released.
Apple is just a company, a big one for sure, but the EU is bigger. The EU regulated Microsoft and Google and it will regulate Apple, too.
If that had happened, we would now be stuck on Micro USB ? That is why the EU is overstepping. Technology must be allowed to evolve. Apple made a better connector; now the EU is like, "no, you have to use this worse connector." If people want a USB-C phone, they can get any other phone.
 
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