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... by making hundreds of millions of iPhone users buy new cables, car chargers and other accessories to replace their existing ones?

It boggles my mind that the EU wants to press the issue now when it cannot be long now until the next generation port will come along.

This whole ruling has everything to do with principle and nothing to do with environment.
Can you explain why hundreds of millions of iPhone Users should by a new cable? When they buy a new iPhone, the iPhone would ship with an USB-C cable. That's it. In the meantime they will have dozens of other USB-C devices, cause it is the standard.

For all the rest, so called "mini adapters" already exist to turn Lightning into USB-C or the other way round.
There may be some accessories left but I had to buy several car charging accessories until I gave up and switched to wireless charging.

All of this is really not a big deal. Just false flags.
 
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That would be fantastic.

Yeah... no it wouldn't. How long before they start mandating other things? ...

All computers should support the same software so that consumers don't get confused whether or not an app they purchased will work on their new device.

Mandating what a company can and cannot make is going to kill innovation and create a homogenized market where everything is basically the same. Companies that create something new do so to stay competitive, not to be anti-competitive. Apple's ability to create the whole widget (hardware, software, services) allows them to stay competitive in what would otherwise be monopolized markets; Android, Windows, etc...

And going after Apple of all companies who creates a port and sticks with it for years, using it across many different devices is just stupid. Especially after the USB port fiasco where we saw a half dozen different connectors over the lifetime of Apple's single Lightning port. If anything they should've jumped all over the USB group to get their **** together and pick a single connector standard years ago.
 
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I dont mind if it switches. Yes, I will have some cables that will no longer be used and will be given away.

HOWEVER, I do have problems with some craphole organization like the EU trying to force an American company to bow to their will because in their infinite wisdom, they think they know better. I own a very, very large number of aapl shares and I have a vested interest in how aapl does. But it almost would be worth it to see aapl say they would no longer sell devices that currently have the lightning port to any country in the EU.
 
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"Apple warned that forcing a common charging port on the industry would stifle innovation and create electronic waste as consumers were forced to switch to new cable"

don't make me laugh.lightning is so old ,charging speeds and data transfers are beyond ridiculous.

as for the electronic waste,selling lightning accessories doesnt help the planet i'm afraid.it just helps apple making more money.what a shady company really

And the millennial weighs in on the conversation.
 
Can you explain why hundreds of millions of iPhone Users should by a new cable? When they buy a new iPhone, the iPhone would ship with an USB-C cable. That's it. In the meantime they will have dozens of other USB-C devices, cause it is the standard.

For all the rest, so called "mini adapters" already exist to turn Lightning into USB-C or the other way round.
There may be some accessories left but I had to buy several car charging accessories until I gave up and switched to wireless charging.

All of this is really not a big deal. Just false flags.


When you buy a new phone, you ARE buying a new cable. You think they give it to you for free?

Some of us have lightning cables in multiple locations for different tasks. One in each car (I have multiple cars). One near a chair I sit in often. One in a spare bedroom for guests. 3 in charging stations in different parts of the house. If I get a new iphone with usb-c I will have to buy just shy of 10 new cables or if they sell an adapter from male lightning to usbc I could buy adapters.

That give you a good enough answer or you want more???? Because that list above doesnt even count all of the spare cables etc.

PS Not everyone has 'dozens' of usbc devices. I have a couple. xbox series x controller and a paid of jabra ear buds. EVERYTHING ELSE is mini (or is it micro) usb or lightning.
 
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I wonder has Apple prototyped the iPhone 14 models with a real USB Type C port. It's possible that Apple quietly tested a new I/O chip designed to support USB Type C connections (Thunderbolt/USB 3.x and/or 4) but with very low power usage.
 
All of this sounds like a perfectly good reason to be an unsatisfied customer.

However, I don’t see how this should translate into a law to force apple to adopt what you’d prefer as their approach to designing and manufacturing their devices.
Luckily it’s not only me who feels this way, the government does as well. Standard charging across devices. Apple supports usb-c on its iPad so what’s the reason for not supporting it on its iPhone? It’s time move on.
 
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Because it's surely a great thing to have busybody Communist/globalist government flunkies with political science / law degrees that have never held a real job doing electrical engineering by pointing guns at people.
 
When you buy a new phone, you ARE buying a new cable. You think they give it to you for free?

Some of us have lightning cables in multiple locations for different tasks. One in each car (I have multiple cars). One near a chair I sit in often. One in a spare bedroom for guests. 3 in charging stations in different parts of the house. If I get a new iphone with usb-c I will have to buy just shy of 10 new cables or if they sell an adapter from male lightning to usbc I could buy adapters.

That give you a good enough answer or you want more???? Because that list above doesnt even count all of the spare cables etc.

PS Not everyone has 'dozens' of usbc devices. I have a couple. xbox series x controller and a paid of jabra ear buds. EVERYTHING ELSE is mini (or is it micro) usb or lightning.
I have loads of USB C cables, I'll send you a bunch if you' that concerned about the cost of a few cables despite your very very large holding in Apple....
 
I dont really care about this stuff but what happens when USB C is outdated or someone comes up with a faster solution?
 
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Luckily it’s not only me who feels this way, the government does as well. Standard charging across devices. Apple supports usb-c on its iPad so what’s the reason for not supporting it on its iPhone? It’s time move on.
And that is the overarching problem — the idea that the use of force needs no other justification than “I personally like the change the law induces” or “I disagree with the business decision Apple has made”
 
Because it's surely a great thing to have busybody Communist/globalist government flunkies with political science / law degrees that have never held a real job doing electrical engineering by pointing guns at people.
Globalism is great. Without it, you wouldn't be typing your paranoid ravings on a cheap, efficient, mass-manufactured device.
 
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And that is the overarching problem — the idea that the use of force needs no other justification than “I personally like the change the law induces” or “I disagree with the business decision Apple has made”
This is pretty much every legal action involving tech companies.

Look at how the entire political right suddenly abandoned all free market principles when social media banned Trump.
 
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Crazy that Apple implemented the USB-C in almost all iPads and Macs devices, yet is so stubborn to do the same with iPhone. I know they are making money from the MFi program, but it's still probably marginal compared to all the other sources of revenu in the company.

I'm not usually a fan of governmental regulation for this kind of thing, but I hope this will work and will be a good reason for Apple to move every iPhone on USB-C
It's going to absolutely outrage every non techy iPhone user, which is many millions. These people see no benefits to replacing all their accessories and charging cords. Plenty will probably hold off on updating because it's a new port and there will be general pain in the ass and confusion for them.

People are STILL complaining that apple changed the other side of the charge cord from A to C.
 
This is going to be a mess. The next standard will come along and it'll take years and years to adopt it because they won't bother to pass new legislation to update things.

It's rarely good when government regulates tech. It generally leads to holding everything back.
And it sets a dangerous precedent for the future, when governments dictate what technology is sold, versus creators.
 
This is going to be a mess. The next standard will come along and it'll take years and years to adopt it because they won't bother to pass new legislation to update things.

It's rarely good when government regulates tech. It generally leads to holding everything back.
Thanks for your « accurate »future predicting skills. USB-C has been an excellent standard for years and the EU is a little more up to date than the US in relation to passing progressive legislation for its citizens. I’m not saying it’s perfect but I’ve no idea why future legislation updates will be the downfall of this law. Please explain.
 
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And it sets a dangerous precedent for the future, when governments dictate what technology is sold, versus creators.
Either Apple dictates to us for their profits OR governments dictate standards based on the push of their electorates interests (you and me). Now, please tell me why private is better than public. It’s a non Argument you’re making
 
Either Apple dictates to us for their profits OR governments dictate standards based on the push of their electorates interests (you and me). Now, please tell me why private is better than public. It’s a non Argument you’re making
No, I’m predicting the future with emboldened bureaucracies. Nothing being produced is bettered by a small body that dictates what private companies may or may not sell.

Presumably, you like iPhones. If heavy handed government dictates were in place during the years of its creation, you may very well be using a dumb phone today. Private industry creates, government stifles.
 
If companies won't do right by the consumer, the consumer has every right to turn to government to force the company to do the right thing. And the only way customers have to fight back against the lobbying is legal avenues and political mobilization. Europeans are a lot better than this than Americans. That's why Europeans have better stuff.
Which European smartphone maker has better stuff as enabled under laws like this?

OMG Apple!!! By refusing to adopt to modern standards and insisting on your d*mn lightning port you achieved the worst, industry can imagine. A law that specifies the port you have to use.

Just add a USB-C port to your devices and the reason for this act is gone. APPLE is the only reason for this new act and Tim is the one to blame. The lightning port was indeed a nice thing, but it is outdated nowadays and EVERYONE else uses USB-C and even Apple itself uses USB-C for laptops and iPads.
For all the rest, so called "mini adapters" already exist to turn Lightning into USB-C or the other way round.
There may be some accessories left but I had to buy several car charging accessories until I gave up and switched to wireless charging.

All of this is really not a big deal. Just false flags.
Wait, so is this a big enough deal to justify a whole new law forcing every single product big enough to have a USB-C port to have one because Apple is evil, or is it not a big deal because adapters are easy to find?

It’s amazing to watch people try to argue both sides of this at the same time: “OMG Apple!!! You’re too greedy to live! You should use the port I want you to use!” “If you don’t like the port I want, it’s not a big deal, just buy an adapter, go wireless, or buy new accessories”.

Either Apple dictates to us for their profits OR governments dictate standards based on the push of their electorates interests (you and me). Now, please tell me why private is better than public. It’s a non Argument you’re making
Apple dictates nothing. Right now you can choose an iPhone or from a variety of Android phones, and maybe some others as well. Apple has made a decision for its products. Other companies make their own decisions. One consumer (me) can choose Lightning, another consumer (you) can choose USB-C. Nobody is dictating, everyone is offering.

Government is dictating. They are making one decision for everyone. One member of the electorate (you) can choose USB-C, and another member of the electorate (me) must choose USB-C. That's what dictate means.

Why is private better than public? Because people make more careful decisions when they're spending their own hard earned money than they do when they're just responding to angry emails in their legislative office inbox. The world has tried planned economies, they don't lead to good outcomes. This is why the more advanced countries in the world are generally based on market economies.

Are there places government must step in to correct distortions in the market, or to address externalities that aren't captured by the market transactions? Sure. Vehicle emissions and health care are two places I might point to here. Even the content of the solder used to attach that connector makes sense to regulate. The question though is whether the shape of a charge connector in smartphones is such a place? No, it is not. If you want a USB-C based phone, you can get one.

The fact that there is a diversity of offerings is a feature, not a bug, of market economies.
 
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I really don't see how this reduces wastage... and it certainly won't save people money.
The vast majority of such electronics already come with a cable to connect it to a charger/computer in the box... iPhones come shipped with a USB-C to Lightening cable.... just the same as my Sony headphones came with a USB-C to USB-C cable... just the same as my Bose portable speaker comes with a USB-A to Micro-USB... So does it really matter what port a device has when those devices tend to come with a cable anyway... I would have thought the key issue was more about power charger compatibility? In that respect, most devices will work off USB-A or USB-C mains charger.
The only plausible scenario where it would reduce wastage is if vendors stop providing a charge/data cable in the box with their devices... kind of much how Apple stopped providing a mains charger in the box for iPhones. Instead, when anyone buys a device, they'll need to then buy a separate cable - and considering that most people won't just rely on charging all 25 of their random devices with a single charge cable, most will simply just buy one while they are at it... Now, an iPhone and cable in a box uses less packaging than an iPhone in a box and a cable in a separate box. Thats more wastage... And, it will also cost more too... Will vendors lower the price of their iPhones or other electronic devices if they don't include a cable in the box... Nope, they won't... we know this because Apple didn't lower the price of the iPhone when they stopped including the mains charger.
The last point I'd make is that if EU law mandates Apple use a USB-C connector, then what does that do for innovation? How will the tech industry move onto the next standard which is better? There will be no incentive for manufacturers to invest money into this when there is no guarantee that when they pitch it to the EU, they refuse to accept it...
So, I'd conclude that the EU's ideology I don't think will make hardly any difference from a wastage perspective, it will stifle innovation, and create as much wastage if not more. The only consolation is that it will be slightly more convenient in the long run for consumers to have all their stuff use the same connectors..
 
Exactly.

I've heard that Apple makes around $4 from every MFI-certified Lightning cable.

Question... how many Lightning cables does a person buy over the lifetime of a single iPhone? One? Two? Three?

So Apple could get upwards of $12 from a person who also bought a $1,000 iPhone. Huh... ?

Of course when you consider that there are hundreds of millions of MFI-certified Lightning cables sold every year... that does add up to a lot of money for Apple.

But you're right... it pales in comparison to Apple's actual hardware revenue.

In short... Apple could cancel the MFI program tomorrow and the company would not go out of business.

I would love if my Macbook Air and iPhone could use the same cable with USB-C plugs on both ends. Though I still have Airpods and iPads that have Lightning ports. So I'll still be using Lightning cables for a while.

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At the rate that Apple's own cables fray/fail? Man, I'd be happy if it was only two or three.

Besides, most people have at least several Lightning cables just in general:

1 for their portable charger (sure, you can MagSafe, but it's ridics slow)
1 on their computer/in their computer bag
1 for charging their keyboard/mouse
1 for charging on a nightstand
1 for CarPlay (if they have it in their car)

You honestly don't think people unplug and use the same cable for all those scenarios, right?

That's up to four cables that you're gonna get at best a year or two of use out of before the ends start to fray and splinter.
 
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