Exactly. Even my electric screwdriver and game pads has USB C. I charge all them of them with the same cable out of convenience (not needing to look for a different cable and charger) as I don't charge them at the same time.
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EU Moves One Step Closer to Mandating Apple to Switch iPhone, iPad, and AirPods to USB-C
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I've got news for you as well, when it comes to charging, all USB C cables work, so having a single cable that can charge multiple devices is a reality. I can charger my electric screwdriver and my game pads with my phone cable just fine for example. And those devices definitely don't have Video Out, of Thunderbolt or 100W charging. If you buy a cable that uses aditional or higher end USB standards it's clearly stated on the package/box or in the cable itself so there's no confusion.
For example my 2$ 3rd party USB C cables would be able to charge an iphone at 20w and it can do USB 3.0 transfer speeds. That's the max an iphone would really support.
He didn't say all USB C cables are the same, he said he can use a single cable with multiple devices and that's absolutely true.
Most people don't need more than USB 2.0 and 20w charging for their phones but those that do can just buy a high end cable and be done with it.
There's no word a new physical connector is in development, but if a new standard comes it will just replace the old one, the same way USB C replaced microUSB.
This EU legislation doesn't stop the adoption of newer, better standards.
Also regarding improving, when is the least time Apple improved the lightning connector on iphones in any way?
I don't know, 2021-2022.When was the last time any company in the EU designed a phone?
Search for Fairfone, a phone designed to be sustainable/repairable.
Also the current main providers of 5G equipment are European companies. ASML is an European company as well.
This is for those here insisting that technology in Europe is dead. That's just nonsense.
1. The difference in size(and it's really small in the first place) is really irrelevant. The ipad Pro is below 6mm in thickness, no phone on the market is close to that, actually phones has become thicker in recent years.
2. Lightning is the physical port actually and it supports USB 2.0 and 3.0 standards. USB C is also the physical port the only difference is that it can support much faster and better standards like thunderbolt 3, 4, 100w charging. This is not entirely relevant for phones. Also basically any USB C cable works with smarphones. I've yet to find a USB C cable that wasn't recognize by a smartphone.
3. According to the declared characteristics, the mechanical life of the USB Type-C connector is about 10,000 connections. I doubt lightning provides better mechanical life. The idea is that that "lip" isn't exposed, the same way the pins on the cable connection aren't exposed so breaking it is hard and happens only in extremely rare cases. Also because the pins for the lighting cable are exposed it provides opportunities for different damages. Like in the picture below:
4. That's not how USB C connections are, that's just your experience with an obviously not very great implementation of USB C on a monitor. I've owned many phones with USB C connectors and they all provide the same feedback when inserted as the lighting port on iPhones.
5. Apple has been providing multiple devices with USB C port for quite a few years, for some of their computers is thr only port. I haven't heard of any concerning reports of reliability or ability to repair.
Yup. Again this MIGHT be somewhat of a debate if Apple wasn’t already using usb c in their iPads n macs. So obviously it’s good enough for those but somehow not in a iPhone or AirPods? Ridiculous.
Again these iPhones now do ProRaw and ProRes, offered in 512gb and 1tb models, yet have an antiquated connector which bottlenecks the whole process. “Some support usb3”……lol in 2022 that’s utterly ridiculous. And being capped on charging power with lightning is another strike. Especially as these batteries seem to be getting bigger……..
Well lighting cables can only be used for charging and data transfers. Any USB C cable can to that so from a functionality stand point nothing will change for iPhone users.
I doubt that as soon as apple implements USB C on their phones people will expect to be able to connect their new iphones to a TV or monitor using USB C to HDMI, or to be able to get thunderbolt 4 transfer rates, or 100W charging speeds. That's not how things work.
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“I think Government should stay in their lane” also “I’d love to charge my headphones, iPad and iPhone with the same cable - yay!”
“I think Government should stay in their lane” also “I’d love to charge my headphones, iPad and iPhone with the same cable - yay!”
One could actually argue that without the european flair for phone design, the market has become pretty stagnant. America had one successful design (The OG iPhone, itself at least aesthetically designed by an Englishman) which every other company has kept as the basis of all their devices for the last 15 years.
Between say 1997 and 2013 the phones coming out of Nokia were always envelope-pushing.
You say that as if people are somehow being inconsistent. There are lots of things I want or feel strongly about, but that doesn't mean I have to support government mandating my opinions.
For example:
- I think people who drive slowly in the passing lane should be dragged out of their cars and beaten with a salami. However, I would not support government passing such legislation.
- Blue cheese is disgusting and should never be served with chicken wings. I don't support a ban on blue cheese.
- I can't stand using MS windows. I don't think Government should mandate MacOS or Linux.
- Hotels with shower curtains are disgusting and need to be avoided at all costs. I don't think we should ban hotel shower curtains through legislation.
So how is the legislation written? "USB C or better" because better is an opinion depending on what you want as a customer.
The premise of your question is wrong. I said Europeans have better stuff, because they have better consumer protection laws. And they do. Better across the board. You want to talk specifically about cell phones? That's a strange question, as this isn't about production and manufacturing. Rather, the issue at hand is about consumers. It doesn't matter where the phones that Europeans use are made. It matters that the EU is a vast marketplace and, as such, the EU has the power to set standards that corporations must adhere to. Apple will make the best European cell phone, because the EU has forced them to obey laws that protect consumers.
hahah... ok, funny. But as Stalin once said about the Pope, "where are his divisions?" The EU is going to act here. What are you going to do about it?
So…. Europeans don’t have better stuff, they have the same stuff and have to buy it from non-European manufacturers.
Nothing says “I have the moral high ground” like a good Stalin quote….
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Ask Apple. They're the ones who will have to make a decision, not I
We'll just have to wait and see what actually happens. The whole idea of the EU concerning themselves with this is laughable though.Well, there are 567 comments and I've read dozens of them, but not enough to know if I'm suggesting a point that others have already mentioned, for which I apologize in advance.
I think that governments have every right to break up monopolies, ensure safety, and punish fraud, but when it comes to making decisions about what products should have which specs is the job of the seller. If the seller choses specifications that customers don't want, any sentient seller will have its marketing department discovering what the marker does want. Arguing with politicians and bureaucrats about specs is a fool's errand, while taking the time and money to fully understand what specs prospective buyers want and don't want will pay dividends.
I think that governments have every right to break up monopolies, ensure safety, and punish fraud, but when it comes to making decisions about what products should have which specs is the job of the seller. If the seller choses specifications that customers don't want, any sentient seller will have its marketing department discovering what the marker does want. Arguing with politicians and bureaucrats about specs is a fool's errand, while taking the time and money to fully understand what specs prospective buyers want and don't want will pay dividends.
USB Is A Lie shows the EU has no idea what USB-C really is or that is really isn't a "standard" especially how charging goes (though it does try)
The funny thing is? I would still buy Apples branded USB-C cable for the iPhone because I just like having ALL Apple. And they said 2024 so great next years iPhone won’t have it too. Imo apple would’ve never switched unless forced. AirPods their mouse keyboards and etc? Ya never would’ve happened. EVER. So thank god.
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I think it's not far-fetched by next spring Apple will offer a USB Type C charging port charging case for the AirPods Pro 2, using the same charging port found on the Beats Fit Pro.
What baffles me is the EU is saying that fast charging all has to be the same charge speeds as well. That will stifle innovation and advancement. The port is also renowned to damage very easily compared to lightning.
However, it is annoying having different cables around. Doesn’t necessarily mean that people will change chargers. Just the cable.
However, it is annoying having different cables around. Doesn’t necessarily mean that people will change chargers. Just the cable.
I think it is a bit more flexible than you made it sound. I found this:
However, if the device supports fast charging, the label will inform users about it. The prerequisite is that the fast charging experience must be delivered via a USB-C port. So, if a brand like Xiaomi has developed 120W charging, it will continue to be on the table.
Xiaomi, or any other brand for that matter, won’t be forced to abandon their proprietary fast charging technology and lose its competitive edge against rivals like Samsung and Apple. The only key criterion is that the brand in question must support the USB-PD standard on its phones, or any other eligible device.
“The proposal aims to enable consumers to easily compare the charging performance and interoperability of the electronic device and the charger, and match them as appropriate,” says a Q&A section on the European Commission’s website.
In a nutshell, if a company doesn’t impede or go below the minimum USB-PD ratings outlined by the EU for a product, it can develop and sell faster-charging gear for its products. The rule won’t stifle innovation, and the average buyer will now have clear information about the charger capabilities of their next device.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/eu-usb-c-rule-electronics-kills-fast-charging-confusion/
But if Apple introduces USB-C in 2023 (2022 would have been even better) there are no problems. Lightning is a walking dead since many years.