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does it now ? i'll be honest i didnt know :)

kinda recent though isnt it ? compared to usb-c 'simplementation
It looks like Apple had USB 3.0 speeds on early Lightning-based iPad Pros. The Lightning to USB 3 camera adapter’s product page doesn’t mention anything newer.

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I disagree with the idea that companies should be forced to adopt a standard simply because an outside party doesn’t like the option that’s currently produced.

Let companies and consumers decide what they want and value by leaving the choice to them. If universal usb-c is that important for a consumer, they have options they can purchase.

If a company doesn’t believe usb-c is the right option for their product, they should be free to pursue the options they think make the most sense.

This rule (and the suggested working group you mention) basically assume there’s one right way for technology to progress and ignores the complex paths companies and consumers take to discover what products and services best meet people’s needs.
If the outside party is the elected government of a region then companies don't have a choice. Governments can compel companies to act in what they perceive to be the common good, companies might not believe in environmental regulations are in the best interest of the consumer but that doesn't stop governments regulating them.
 
You've got to remember that non-tech people don't think like us. 99% of people will be furious when Apple switches the iPhone to USB-C because now all of their accessories and 800 lightning cables they have accumulated will all be worthless. And the EU claims this will REDUCE ewaste??? It's creating tons of it!
Why would they suddenly become worthless? There are still plenty of devices that use them and the devices out live the cables. Even if they make a switch for whatever reason they aren’t suddenly going to stop making new cables.
 
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I’d prefer the iPhone to continue using the superior technology than be forced to use the fragmented USB-C “standard” and prevented for moving on to something better down the line by this stupid, shortsighted, waste of time and money legislation, but hey that’s just me.
This has nothing to do with my post or the post I replied to.
 
This is going to be a mess. The next standard will come along and it'll take years and years to adopt it because they won't bother to pass new legislation to update things.

It's rarely good when government regulates tech. It generally leads to holding everything back.
The last time they did this the result was that nearly all devices confirmed to micro USB and the tech world got a little bit easier. That was back in the day when every old style mobile came with its own unique charging plug and socket. So not always a bad thing but point taken.
 
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In what regard lightning is superior to USB-C?
It’s smaller.
It’s more durable.
It doesn’t rely solely on friction for maintaining a connection.
It’s more water resistant.
It doesn’t have a cavalcade of “standards” that manufacturers can choose between so you can’t easily tell whether a device or cable actual does what you need to. Want to use USB-C for power supply to your device? Better make sure both the cable AND port support it. How about video? That too.
The only way in which USB-C is currently ahead of Lightning is max transfer speed, and few people are transferring data too and from smartphones via wired connection so it’s not particularly impactful for the iPhone.
 
No. It means that for now if a device has a port and can accommodate a C port, it will have to.
Portless is ok.
A new standart is still years away. This directive is to be in effect asap, if something g developed down the road it will be updated.
Then that in itself is odd. So if a device is wireless it doesn't have to have a USB-C port but if a device is wireless and does also happen to have a port it must be USB-C? That is just silly.
 
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Going "portliest" esp wireless charging, while convenient, it's counter environmentally friendly, wireless charging is just so inefficient
Well, many people don't use wireless charging. Carrying a cable or using a device while charging is far too convenient when compared to having to carry a wireless charger or using the device while placed on it.
And then, at least for a few more years, it would be most annoying to no longer bei able to attach an iPhone to a TV set, a projector, a computer screen or an audio system...
 
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The last time they did this the result was that nearly all devices confirmed to micro USB and the tech world got a little bit easier. That was back in the day when every old style mobile came with its own unique charging plug and socket. So not always a bad thing but point taken.
That's why I think a few common sense additions, such as regular review of the standard and requirement of input from industry (so they can pitch what they think is the best new tech) would be useful.
 
You've got to remember that non-tech people don't think like us. 99% of people will be furious when Apple switches the iPhone to USB-C because now all of their accessories and 800 lightning cables they have accumulated will all be worthless. And the EU claims this will REDUCE ewaste??? It's creating tons of it!
Would it really be that bad? Except for charging my iPhone, I don’t use the Lightning port for anything nowadays. And even charging I often use MagSafe now. If the Lightning port on my iPhone broke tomorrow, I think I could manage okay for years without ever getting that Lightning port repaired.

Granted, while I don’t use my Lightning port much, I do understand that other do use Lightning-based accessories. But I don’t think any transition from Lightning to USB-C would be too bad. This isn’t like going from 30-pin to Lightning years ago (when our accessories were mostly connected via a physical connection). In 2022, Bluetooth is often what people use to connect their phones to their accessories. And again, I know there are some accessory types that need a physical connection. Except for those, all of our Bluetooth accessories won’t be affected at all by going to USB-C.

And for the people who absolutely need the Lightning port, it isn’t like their current phone will become unusable. For people who need time to transition away from Lightning, they’ll have that time with their current phone. Those Lightning-based accessories certainly won’t “all be worthless“ just because future iPhones use USB-C. The accessories will still work with the iPhones they were designed to work with.
 
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EU regulations, because of those guys we have to click "Accept cookies" on every good damn site we visit.
I don't know what will happen with some new better/faster ports that future might bring? Are we stuck with USB-C forever now?

Still, looking forward for iPhone with USB-C. ? I will finally be able to plug the same (usb-c) headphones in my mac and my iPhone.
The f. You certainly don’t “have to” click Accept Cookies, you have the option to do so or opt out, and that’s the point. To have a choice and opt out. If you don’t make use of that choice speak for yourself not others. I opt out of all cookies as far as possible and am great full for regulation like this. It’s not perfect, but of course it isn’t. How often have we done this? Never. You know, people learn with time. Regulators are just people, too.
 
Moving to USB C from lightning is good. Might take some before it becomes law. By then Apple might go portless.
 
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They are regulated, at least in the EU.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I was born in Europe, currently live in Europe. Just going from different Scuko supporting countries, to Italy, to France, to the UK you have different plugs, different sockets with different amp ratings. You end up with 1-3 adapters just to switch. And voltage is not even the same. The EU is a joke. They want communism back, everybody be the same, the party dictating what is and isn't allowed. Planned economy will not work.

Remember when USB Mini was THE thing and solution? I member.
Remember when USB Micro was THE thing and solution? I member.
Remember when USB-C was... oh wait...

If you don't like lightning, DON'T BUY AN IPHONE WOW!!!! Why is this so hard? Why would you buy something you don't want to use? The mental gymnastics of these politicians is beyond belief.
 
The f. You certainly don’t “have to” click Accept Cookies, you have the option to do so or opt out, and that’s the point. To have a choice and opt out. If you don’t make use of that choice speak for yourself not others. I opt out of all cookies as far as possible and am great full for regulation like this. It’s not perfect, but of course it isn’t. How often have we done this? Never. You know, people learn with time. Regulators are just people, too.
I do too though I think they should make the reject all button easier to find or not required at all. Rejecting cookies should be the default and you should only need to opt in for features that require them.
 
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Good news. Lightning is one of the worst technologies I've ever come across - the connector and cables are horribly fragile and poorly designed to stay in place. As a family we must have gone through 50 or so of the things.
 
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If everyone is required to use a common connector they should all be pitching their connector as standard and should be opting for minimal licensing fees that would go to the consortium (Ala USB-C), no one would be paying only Apple since I assume lightning probably uses licensed USB tech as well.
And the consortium gave us USB-C, an inferior physical connector with multiple “standards” so you can’t easily tell what a cable or port actually supports. We literally know what happens by commitee and it’s worse than what Apple did with Lightning. And they literally had Lightning to use as a model and STILL got it wrong.
 
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I do too though I think they should make the reject all button easier to find or not required at all. Rejecting cookies should be the default and you should only need to opt in for features that require them.
That’s something else, but something I guess all can agree on.
 
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This is stupid, while I agree Apple should have moved over to USB-C years ago on their phones, they shouldn't be forced to.

What if this would have been in place when MicroUSB was dominant? That would have limited Apple's ability to develop and launch Lightning which they adopted years before USB-C was finalized.

Again, not saying Apple shouldn't adopt USB-C because they absolutely should, USB-C is now superior to Lightning. But forcing them to do it just stifles innovation
 
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