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If the outside party is the elected government of a region then companies don't have a choice. Governments can compel companies to act in what they perceive to be the common good, companies might not believe in environmental regulations are in the best interest of the consumer but that doesn't stop governments regulating them.
Functionally, yes — governments do that stuff all the time. I just think it’s often an overreach on their part. And often fails to solve the stated problem they use to justify their use of political force.
 
It’s smaller.
It’s more durable.
It doesn’t rely solely on friction for maintaining a connection.
It’s more water resistant.
It doesn’t have a cavalcade of “standards” that manufacturers can choose between so you can’t easily tell whether a device or cable actual does what you need to. Want to use USB-C for power supply to your device? Better make sure both the cable AND port support it. How about video? That too.
The only way in which USB-C is currently ahead of Lightning is max transfer speed, and few people are transferring data too and from smartphones via wired connection so it’s not particularly impactful for the iPhone.
If these were all valid concerns I'm sure Apple, one of the companies who spearheaded and first adopted USB-C, would have used their expertise to push the standard in a different direction. Apple clearly doesn't share your concerns.
 
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It’s smaller.
It’s more durable.
It doesn’t rely solely on friction for maintaining a connection.
It’s more water resistant.
It doesn’t have a cavalcade of “standards” that manufacturers can choose between so you can’t easily tell whether a device or cable actual does what you need to. Want to use USB-C for power supply to your device? Better make sure both the cable AND port support it. How about video? That too.
The only way in which USB-C is currently ahead of Lightning is max transfer speed, and few people are transferring data too and from smartphones via wired connection so it’s not particularly impactful for the iPhone.
We should have a Wiki with this comment stickied up top, for the once-every-two-months discussions that come up on Lightning vs. USB-C here on Macrumors.
 
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If these were all valid concerns I'm sure Apple, one of the companies who spearheaded and first adopted USB-C, would have used their expertise to push the standard in a different direction. Apple clearly doesn't share your concerns.
If Apple felt USB-C was a superior option for the iPhone they’d use it. Clearly they don’t.
 
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I think they should be forced to, start with a fine of $10 per unnecessary cookie popup, only prompt for cookies when the user takes an action that requires one to use the cite (logging in to favourite an article or post a comment).
That would mean to effectively prohibit tracking e.g. for news sites like this one, because they are not even allowed to ask the user, since there’s no “action” other than reading the articles. While I personally would like for tracking to be prohibited, I don’t think that would fly.
 
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We should have a Wiki with this comment stickied up top, for the once-every-two-months discussions that come up on Lightning vs. USB-C here on Macrumors.
Don't forget to include a reminder that Apple was one of the main proponents who designed, and first adopted, USB-C and that they clearly don't share these concerns.
 
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If these were all valid concerns I'm sure Apple, one of the companies who spearheaded and first adopted USB-C, would have used their expertise to push the standard in a different direction. Apple clearly doesn't share your concerns.
Of course Apple shares these concerns, which is why they still offer Lightning on some products.

Different ports for different products/use cases. You don't need TB4 on an AppleTV, even though it would "work" for a lot of connection choices.
 
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And the consortium gave us USB-C, an inferior physical connector with multiple “standards” so you can’t easily tell what a cable or port actually supports. We literally know what happens by commitee and it’s worse than what Apple did with Lightning. And they literally had Lightning to use as a model and STILL got it wrong.
They ought mandate this to be solved... if they doing something with the power of law they should be writing in enough specificity to prevent the problems you highlight with USB-C. Additionally there are benefits to USB-C, the flexible pins being in the cable rather than the device means the fragile pins are in the part of the system more likely to break.
 
Show me where I said that. Hint: I didn't.
You are literally defending USB-C and the EUs move to make Apple use it. All I had to do was read your posts. But if you think Apple should be allowed to continue using Lightning, great! Welcome to the side of rationality and sanity.
 
That's why I think a few common sense additions, such as regular review of the standard and requirement of input from industry (so they can pitch what they think is the best new tech) would be useful.
I’m in favor of industry groups that work to establish voluntary standards. Companies should still be able to develop alternatives to the standard and operate accordingly if they believes it’s a better business decision.
 
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Of course Apple shares these concerns, which is why they still offer Lightning on some products.

Different ports for different products/use cases. You don't need TB4 on an AppleTV, even though it would "work" for a lot of connection choices.
I want SCSI on my AppleTV dang it!!!
 
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That would mean to effectively prohibit tracking e.g. for news sites like this one, because they are not even allowed to ask the users, since there’s no “action” other than reading the articles. While I personally would like tracking to be prohibited,
I don’t think that would fly.
Yeah I know, I can dream though... I just hate having to spend the first few seconds tapping in to get to the reject all button.
 
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You are literally defending USB-C and the EUs move to make Apple use it. All I had to do was read your posts. But if you think Apple should be allowed to continue using Lightning, great! Welcome to the side of rationality and sanity.
No, I answered a persons question, and never defended the EU's opinion whatsoever.

Try rereading my post, maybe a little bit slower this time.
 
I’m in favor of industry groups that work to establish voluntary standards. Companies should still be able to develop alternatives to the standard and operate accordingly if they believes it’s a better business decision.
And governments are free to regulate those companies and force a common standard if those governments decide that the common good outweighs those companies business decisions.
 
Completely agree with it.
Next step is to mandate some kind of common battery format.
So annoying having to buy batteries that are product specific.
As a tradesman it’s hugely expensive to have limited variety after having bought a bare unit.
 
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There's a million reasons why this is a bad move. USB-C is a far from decent standard and to mandate that all devices use it going forward is a stupid idea. In fact the standard is basically a crapfest of every other legacy standard thrown into one poorly designed connector shell and negotiation protocol.

Some examples:

  1. The USB-C connectors are far more difficult to replace than equivalents due to the masked row of contacts on the header and the mechanical design that actually tears the copper off the PCB substrate meaning the device is 100% irreparable afterwards.
  2. The PD capabilities versus cable and charger is an absolute minefield of dog crap to stand in and some cables can actually blow your device up if you terminate the CC pairs on adapter cables incorrectly as the charger will deliver more voltage than the TVS diodes can handle.
  3. There are serious security concerns if you can negotiate thunderbolt protocol from an implanted charger. I mean what could possibly go wrong using an untrusted charger that can negotiate system PCIe bus access...
But I digress. Every objection I've made to USB-C since its inception has been responded to by BUT ITS GOT ELECTROLYTES.

The future we have is a tyranny of moronic standards enforced by moronic regulators pushing us all to the lowest common denominator of capability and security.
Here, your tinfoil hat fell.
 
Of course Apple shares these concerns, which is why they still offer Lightning on some products.
This is 100% an assumption on your part.

Apple once shared those concerns about the iPad too according to you, but you'll conveniently ignore that.
 
If the tech industry would actually play ball and help with the process this could go more smoothly. For example, a proposal to form a working group to evaluate charging and data technology every 3-5 years that is required to vote in favour of a new port based on some reasonable criteria. This is of course a starting point and they would need to work out the details to make sure it didn't choose bad ports or get bogged down and fail to make choices at all. Generally however, there is no reason why there shouldn't be a good common charging and data port standard, if companies don't want a particular port (USB-C) forced on them they should come up with an alternative.
Ever get involved at all with any kind of standards group? The ones I (fortunately) have had little interaction with are even more political than elected politicians. OK - maybe not more, but just as bad. It's hard to quantify badness.

Most of the participants want to promote their own vision which implies either fame, licensing fees, or both. Simple is not part of their vocabulary. Vague attachment to reality is a generous description.

Personally, I'd like having some common standard. I have way too much junk that were defacto standards from over the years. But, what should it be?
 
And governments are free to regulate those companies and force a common standard if those governments decide that the common good outweighs those companies business decisions.
The goals of each are different. In this case the government is doing to reduce waste. That means a better standard that's faster or offers better advantages (for instance, USB-C isn't overly robust and does break more than other connection types), they won't be able to move to it. It'll take getting everyone together and pushing for a new standard. More red tape holding technology back.
 
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