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EU Orders Google to Give Rival AI Apps the Same Android Access as Gemini

WinstonSmyth said:
I guess you couldn't think of one.
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Did you really not understand, that my comment was meant sarcastically?

There is an obvious gap between the theory (everyone has the same liberties) and the reality (systemic inequalities). By making fun of how a white man from the 1st world laments about a perceived loss of liberties, I wanted to point out, how far this lament is from the realities of not-rich or non-white or non-male or Global South humans.

I'm sure you understood that perfectly well. But now you pretend that you don't. Hence the LOL.

And just to make sure that you get the 2nd part of my joke: When I wrote: the "wrong" side of the Atlantic, I kept it deliberately vague. Again, to point out the hipocrisy.
 
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WinstonSmyth said:
Yes, the way that Iran has sunk the entire US Navy, wiped out the US Air Force, and shot down pretty much every Tomahawk missile has proven the US military is way over rated.
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The USA has somewhere between 40 to 100 times the military budget of Iran. Depite this and the massive American shock and awe bombing campaign, the international consensus is that Iran so far is the winner in this conflict. Iran has gained significant dominance in the region, as well as global influence. Meanwhile the US has depleted some of its critical weapon stockpiles for years to come. Sorry to say this, but the American performance in this war has been thoroughly unimpressive. And I do not mean this sarcastically, I truly am sorry and concerned about this, because I now very much doubt that the US has the capability to e.g. scare away China from Taiwan.
 
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All this talk of war... like the talking heads on TV do.. discussing about strategics and politics etc etc.. to detach oneself from the fact that people are being murdered. Plain and simple. On either side.

All to easy to detach oneself emotionally from that reality when it's not happening to you and your family.
 
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Ad47uk said:
It is not about downloading AI apps, it is allowing those AI apps to have access to what Apple own AI will have acess to on the phone or computer.
You can download load any AI app you want, but it can't control your phone or computer, like Apple Ai can.
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Of course, what’s so special about Apple's own AI that it can have access to MY data, but others can’t - if I decide that I want those, again by deciding to download, sign up/in, accept whatever conditions bla bla bla - and Apple has to be the lord of that?
 
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derek4484 said:
I literally cannot stand this. Same thing they did to Apple. Third party apps do not deserve or have a right to the same OS level items. Apple and Google have invested billions and billions in developing software and hardware. Now these third party apps want to come along and get rich piggybacking off of Google and Apple's investment and they dont want to have to pay for that access. It's ridiculous. Software socialism.
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If you want to go on a tirade against socialism I suggest you move to Texas and demand the state to drop all of its socialist's laws.
 
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eifelbube said:
Is there a universe where Apple lets “Hey Siri” activate Gemini?
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Nope.

While Siri AI is based on Google’s foundation models, that’s not Gemini the service. Apple started with Google’s models, optimized them to run on Apple Silicon, then retrained them with Apple proprietary data.

You can read more about how it works here

www.macworld.com

How much Gemini is really inside Siri AI?

Is Siri just a reskinned Google product? No, but as with all things AI, it's a lot more complicated than that.
www.macworld.com www.macworld.com

This quote from the article should help explain it:

An analogy I like to use: Apple used Unix (technically, the Unix-derivative called Darwin) as the core for every operating system going back to Mac OS X. But that doesn’t mean Apple’s OSes share the same compatibility, features, or characteristics as Unix. Nor does it mean Apple lacks the world-class operating system engineers necessary to make a great OS. Unix is merely a foundation to start on, and a quicker way to get a leg up on development.
 
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derek4484 said:
What you call a level playing field is a situation where its not worth any investment. That's why there are few, if any, successful European tech companies. Why invest Billions of $$$ building a phone and an great operating system, if you then have to then turn around and provide free access to any competitor?! Let the competition invest their own Billions and create their own product if they want deepest access to the OS. It's really not a fair playing field, when there is no incentive to actually even create anything of value, because you basically have to give all your freeloading competition equal access to your intellectual property for free. That is why there are no great European tech companies.
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We can discuss the efficiency of "European" investment policies and yes, there is a difference in how "Europeans" think compared to Americans when it comes to finance. And I’m not saying you’re completely wrong and I’m completely right here. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

But it’s also not the whole story. The US simply had a huge head start in IT and "European" money just saw it as more efficient and opportune to invest in US tech sector instead of their own. And there was no reason to exit..before now. And it’s a little bit ridiculous to say there are no companies in Europe and there are no billionaires and not enough incentives. But the way things have played out, "Europe" is most likely going to incentivise home grown investments more. But I also definitely don’t think a US approach would work over here either.

Euro mindset is if a company gets too big for its market, it controls pricing too much and that leads to consumers paying too much. Case in point, insulin pricing Europe vs USA.

Things will change in Europe and for the better I believe, but we’re also not some desolate uninhabitable piece of land that can’t do anything on its own.

And yeah, I say "Europe" because there is no such entity. Its several countries agreeing to cooperate better than before. It’s not United States of Europe. For better or for worse.

But I don’t think we’ll be as far behind in 10 years as we are today
 
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derek4484 said:
Why invest Billions of $$$ building a phone and an great operating system, if you then have to then turn around and provide free access to any competitor?!
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For the sake of argument, lets assume for a moment, that Apple has opened up its ecosystem to a rival AI, for example: Grok. Grok costs 30 bucks a month. iPhone costs ~1000 bucks.

Price for customer to use Siri AI over three years: 1000 bucks.
Price for customer to use fully integrated Grok AI over three years: 2080 bucks.
What will most customers choose in your opinion? Being able to price your product competitively is a huge advantage.

And even if the customer decides to pay for Grok: Apple will still profit. The customer still has to buy an iPhone, after all.

derek4484 said:
Now these third party apps want to come along and get rich piggybacking off of Google and Apple's investment
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Who said that access to Apple's AI integration would be free?
Like with 3rd-party App Stores you can bet on it that Apple will charge the 3rd-party AI companies for access.
 
tonmischa said:
For the sake of argument, lets assume for a moment, that Apple has opened up its ecosystem to a rival AI, for example: Grok. Grok costs 30 bucks a month. iPhone costs ~1000 bucks.

Price for customer to use Siri AI over three years: 1000 bucks.
Price for customer to use fully integrated Grok AI over three years: 2080 bucks.
What will most customers choose in your opinion? Being able to price your product competitively is a huge advantage.

And even if the customer decides to pay for Grok: Apple will still profit. The customer still has to buy an iPhone, after all.


Who said that access to Apple's AI integration would be free?
Like with 3rd-party App Stores you can bet on it that Apple will charge the 3rd-party AI companies for access.
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Apple won’t charge for Siri ai the same way they are not charging for satellite communications.
 
mrochester said:
It’s a dud because it’s a developer friendly initiative dressed up as pro-consumer.

Consumers have overwhelmingly shown they prefer to buy everything they need from one place. This is why supermarkets, Amazon and steam are so successful.

The DMA gives developers more control over where and for how much their products are sold, but this runs contrary to the consumers desire to be able to get everything they need from one place.
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That may be the case but “prefer” still reflects a choice they have not to buy everything in one place. Otherwise one could argue consumers would be fine with monopolies.
 
Grey Area said:
The USA has somewhere between 40 to 100 times the military budget of Iran. Depite this and the massive American shock and awe bombing campaign, the international consensus is that Iran so far is the winner in this conflict. Iran has gained significant dominance in the region, as well as global influence. Meanwhile the US has depleted some of its critical weapon stockpiles for years to come. Sorry to say this, but the American performance in this war has been thoroughly unimpressive. And I do not mean this sarcastically, I truly am sorry and concerned about this, because I now very much doubt that the US has the capability to e.g. scare away China from Taiwan.
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Remind me again how many US war ships Iran has sunk, despite how close they are to Iran. And how many Iranian ships have been sunk. If Iran is winning this, I would hate to see what loosing looks like.
 
 
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