Android is terrible
Bring back webos and windows phone 8. Actually good ecosystems alongside iOS.
It’s a shame that android became the dominant Os but I guess that’s what happens when you sell enough cheap phones
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EU Reportedly Satisfied With Apple's Plans to Open iPhone's NFC Chip to Rivals
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Bring back webos and windows phone 8. Actually good ecosystems alongside iOS.
It’s a shame that android became the dominant Os but I guess that’s what happens when you sell enough cheap phones
Apple was also never an open platform. I’m not sure why ppl are so against proprietary platforms.
You’re not forced to use an iPhone. You choose to. The Eu is forcing apple to be something it never intended to be.
Man I LOVE responses that answer questions!
I'm against any company preventing me from doing what I want, as I see fit, on hardware I own, with or without their blessing.
Simple.
Imagine if Bluetooth or Wi-Fi were restricted to a certain app called Apple Wireless. No other apps would have access to it. And any direct Wi-Fi or Bluetooth connection to other devices would not be permitted. That’s what some people are arguing for with Apple locking down the NFC chip.
Bcn public transport allows you add to your metro card to your android device but not the iphone. They use their own proprietary app hence why they haven’t been able to do so. Hopefully that changes soon with this turn of events
If Tim Cook were CEO when Apple pioneered 802.11b with AirPort, it would be a proprietary technology.
I imagine that if Apple allowed NFC access for payment options, banks would develop cross-platform payment solutions or platforms and remove their cards from the default integrated payment apps on both mobile operating systems.
The market dynamics change when both major platforms offer a feature. Therefore, looking at Android in isolation now doesn’t make much sense.
Generic mumbling about security, experience, reliability etc
passports and transport are up to the provider to setup not apple if they don't support it then its not apples fault
we know the functionality is already their multiple countries already use it
Just wait till they discover game consoles exist!
Android is far from terrible, when was the last time you used it? iOS implements features from Android all the time. The reason it's dominant is because it's good and because of the open nature of it, you can run it on any hardware you choose. I'm not saying iOS is bad but iMessage is the only reason I keep coming back.
Man, if WebOS became dominant vs iOS instead of Android...
Beautiful OS, and way ahead of the game given that both Android and iOS eventually adopted alot of the UI paradigms that webOS first introduced.
iOS is/was not open, macOS is.
Other protocols are open like bluetooth/Wifi!
I am not forced into iOS, I'm just saying NFC should be open.
Hey EU, thanks for the USB port on my iPhone, but please don't police every single aspect of Apple's business. Thanks.
iOS is fine, Android is fine, and I could live with either. They both have pluses and minuses.
I've used iPhone since the 3g, and my wife has been using Android just as long. Everything is peachy.
I'm not so sure why Americans don't understand that businesses in the EU market(s) can't overrule EU laws and regulations just by making products and services proprietary, and pull the "user privacy" card whenever anyone questions why it always implies some way for Apple to add another fee somewhere in all the encryption?
If it were that easy then any malicious entity, like a foreign government, could put any number of proprietary products on the EU markets and have them violate every law without facing consequences and be free to destroy our markets and economies.
That's not how things work anywhere.
In the eyes of the EU, the device, like an iPhone, is located in the EU and owned by the EU citizen who bought the iPhone. Therefore, the iPhone is subject to local laws and regulations. What proprietary shenanigans Apple has implemented into the hardware and software is secondary. Common sense stuff.
Exactly why should a business be exempt from local laws and regulations, because it's the World's biggest? Seems like an argument an American corporation could only succeed with in free-market-over-everything America.
Most importantly, it's not the EU forcing iPhone to change. It's Apple deciding to stay in the EU to retain access to its second most profitable market and agreeing to change its products and services to not face more fines or face a sales ban of all its products in the EU.
If Apple's ideas of "user experience" and "privacy" are its top priorities then it should wave goodbye to EU profits and go violate some other markets.
Y'all are just mad seeing how much Apple is willing to compromise to keep its EU profits, that Apple is really just like every other business despite all the "think different" and "iPhone=Privacy" its been hawking at us for decades.
All relationships, big or small, are made up of at least two parties. How can you blame one party, the EU, for being unfair to the other, Apple, if both parties are free to leave the relationship at any point?
You do realize that Apple is freely choosing to stay in this relationship, opting to compromise with its principles in order to retain its first priority, profits?! Could it perhaps be that Apple still stands to win more (profits) than it loses by giving up all of this control?
If it were that easy then any malicious entity, like a foreign government, could put any number of proprietary products on the EU markets and have them violate every law without facing consequences and be free to destroy our markets and economies.
That's not how things work anywhere.
In the eyes of the EU, the device, like an iPhone, is located in the EU and owned by the EU citizen who bought the iPhone. Therefore, the iPhone is subject to local laws and regulations. What proprietary shenanigans Apple has implemented into the hardware and software is secondary. Common sense stuff.
Exactly why should a business be exempt from local laws and regulations, because it's the World's biggest? Seems like an argument an American corporation could only succeed with in free-market-over-everything America.
Most importantly, it's not the EU forcing iPhone to change. It's Apple deciding to stay in the EU to retain access to its second most profitable market and agreeing to change its products and services to not face more fines or face a sales ban of all its products in the EU.
If Apple's ideas of "user experience" and "privacy" are its top priorities then it should wave goodbye to EU profits and go violate some other markets.
Y'all are just mad seeing how much Apple is willing to compromise to keep its EU profits, that Apple is really just like every other business despite all the "think different" and "iPhone=Privacy" its been hawking at us for decades.
All relationships, big or small, are made up of at least two parties. How can you blame one party, the EU, for being unfair to the other, Apple, if both parties are free to leave the relationship at any point?
You do realize that Apple is freely choosing to stay in this relationship, opting to compromise with its principles in order to retain its first priority, profits?! Could it perhaps be that Apple still stands to win more (profits) than it loses by giving up all of this control?
In the EU, Android has about 2/3 marketshare. So they could have already done that with the vast majority of phones in the EU if they wanted to.
More FUD with zero evidence.
Ooh, people on here don't like it when you play the "if you hate it so much, leave" argument against Apple.
You can't close that door once it's been opened. Failed bureaucrats who've never done a single positive thing in their lives are now in control. Enjoy!
The relevant market, in this case, is digital payment processing through the NFC chip. Apple Pay has a larger global market share for digital mobile payments than Google Wallet. Just to clarify, I'm expressing my opinion about the potential market consequences of the EU's actions and not spreading any information that could be seen as fear, uncertainty, or doubt on these forums.
Great. Now ask the country-specific payment apps (who'll be able to use NFC) to open up for cross-border payments. Right now Apple Pay is the only way to make them, even if both countries are in the Euro zone, even if both banks are the same. So if you happen to travel across from Germany to France and want to buy something with your euros, you've got to pull out a piece of plastic. And unfortunately banks are the ones pushing payment apps and they'll now have even more incentive to not support Apple Pay and force everyone onto their own Balkanized platforms.
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