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Imagine if Bluetooth or Wi-Fi were restricted to a certain app called Apple Wireless. No other apps would have access to it. And any direct Wi-Fi or Bluetooth connection to other devices would not be permitted. That’s what some people are arguing for with Apple locking down the NFC chip.

If BT or WiFi were restricted in that manor, no one would buy the device, that is the market at work. You can restrict too much.

IMHO what will happen here is this:


I do not find this consumer friendly in any way.

Has that happened on Android, where NFC has never been restricted?

I offer the same explanation for this that I do with alt-app stores. Why would a bank pull their cards from only Android wallets and go exclusive to their app when that would create a divide in the customer base and allow Android customers to complain "you didn't pull your card from Apple". They will wait for this crap (forcing Apple to open the chip) and remove their cards from all mobile wallets and force users onto their own apps at the same time.
 
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Man, if WebOS became dominant vs iOS instead of Android...

Beautiful OS, and way ahead of the game given that both Android and iOS eventually adopted alot of the UI paradigms that webOS first introduced.
I agree.

It’s crazy how ugly and terrible android is when windows phone, bb10, and webos existed. Even while copying webos, it’s such a terribly designed operating system.
 
I agree.

It’s crazy how ugly and terrible android is when windows phone, bb10, and webos existed. Even while copying webos, it’s such a terribly designed operating system.

I agree, but with Windows Phone. WP8.1 was beautiful, and fast.

Though I fail to understand how Android always comes up. I thought this thread was about Apple Pay?
 
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Android is far from terrible, when was the last time you used it? iOS implements features from Android all the time. The reason it's dominant is because it's good and because of the open nature of it, you can run it on any hardware you choose. I'm not saying iOS is bad but iMessage is the only reason I keep coming back.
Android has its market share because I can literally go into Walmart and buy a brand new android for $20.

Plz tell me what iPhone can he had for $20

There’s a reason why the best selling android phones are not pixels or galaxy s24 it’s the budget devices.

Android is only popular because it was the cheapest and easiest way to get a smartphone. Not because it is good.

And to answer your question , I own a z flip and s22 so I use android regularly and it’s inferior than iOS ecosystem.
 
When the EU is finally done with the iPhone it'll be running Android. 😆
Hopefully.

I paid for my iPhone, I own it. I should easily be able to pick and chose whatever OS I want running on it or not.

If iOS is so superior in every way then we'll all run back into the arms of Tim Apple, begging him to shelter us from the horrors that govern the world outside the Walled Garden.

But I'd like to have the decision to destroy my iPhone instead of being forced to use it how Apple wants me to, even though I'm the owner of the device.

Apple also isn't responsible for what Android does on iPhone or what privacy violations happen if it happens outside of iOS.
 
Android has its market share because I can literally go into Walmart and buy a brand new android for $20.

Plz tell me what iPhone can he had for $20

There’s a reason why the best selling android phones are not pixels or galaxy s24 it’s the budget devices.

There's something noble about making such capable software available to the masses, don't you think?

And to answer your question , I own a z flip and s22 so I use android regularly and it’s inferior than iOS ecosystem.

Why though? If you don't like it, why subject yourself to it?
 
Given Apple's reported revenue of $383 billion in 2023, the fine could have amounted to approximately $40 billion.
Holy... The EU is really starting to flex their power now.
 
Then get an android instead of destroying iOS. Simple solution

Any company, from any industry. No exceptions.

Companies should not be legally allowed to keep me from doing what I want with hardware I own. I purchased it, therefor it is mine; not theirs to decide. If Apple, or any other company, wants to control my hardware, then they can lease it or rent it to me. Once it's sold to me, they lose any right to it whatsoever.

I don't want Android. I want an iPhone, and I want Apple to let me use it as I see fit.
 
Apple's business in the EU is first and foremost the EU's business.

And Apple shouldn't be doing business in the EU in the first place if it doesn't want to abide by EU laws and regulations.
Ah so true. Businesses and individuals alike should just blindly assume the government always has their best interests in mind and never push back on any policy decisions whatsoever "cuz they said so"... Sounds like a perfectly healthy way to run society.
 
It’s refreshing to see cooperation on this, and it’ll be interesting to see how others make use of the feature.

Competition is good.

It's not good if you want the European banks to loose.
This will make things better for banks since they can implement their own payment solution into iPhones.
 
Has that happened on Android, where NFC has never been restricted?

There is so much FUD on here when Apple gets forced to treat their platforms like every other platform in history has been treated.

This going to happen in Norway.

The largest bank in Norway never supported Apple Pay because they wanted their own payment solution to win. When they bought up other banks, they removed Apple Pay support from these banks.

Now, almost all the banks in Norway are joining together to get their own payment solution on the iPhone. Many more of them will remove Apple Pay support and those who never supported it will continue to not support it.

It's only good for banks and others who want their payment solution to win.
 
About time.
But, banking only or completely open?
Don’t get me wrong, I use Apple Pay and keep using it but other NFC apps should also be able to acces Apples NFC chip.

For instance public transport (everywhere) or connecting cards/passport to government App.
That's possible today.
 
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That's not going to happen, apple pay is one of the tiniest fees of all the fingers in the pie. This has already been how NFC works on androids and google pay remains widely used.

In Norway, the largest bank (20-25% market share) never supported Apple Pay. Now they're joined by other banks to push the bank's own payment solution onto iPhones. Banks are already withdrawing support for Apple Pay here.
 
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I'm against any company preventing me from doing what I want, as I see fit, on hardware I own, with or without their blessing.

Simple.

Then some of us are against you as a human being.

So why do you buy products and services from companies you're against?
 
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Imagine if Bluetooth or Wi-Fi were restricted to a certain app called Apple Wireless. No other apps would have access to it. And any direct Wi-Fi or Bluetooth connection to other devices would not be permitted. That’s what some people are arguing for with Apple locking down the NFC chip.

Yes, Apple should be allowed to do this if they wanted as long as customer knew before they bought the device.

There should be extremely few restrictions on how companies make their products, even if that makes it a lousy product.

I don't want others to make NFC solutions which bypass Apple's own solutions. Only when Apple doesn't have solution should third-parties be allowed.
 
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This going to happen in Norway.

The largest bank in Norway never supported Apple Pay because they wanted their own payment solution to win. When they bought up other banks, they removed Apple Pay support from these banks.

Now, almost all the banks in Norway are joining together to get their own payment solution on the iPhone. Many more of them will remove Apple Pay support and those who never supported it will continue to not support it.

It's only good for banks and others who want their payment solution to win.

In the US, Walmart doesn't allow Apple Pay for similar reasons (and they want to extract demographics from sales, which they can't do if the credit card number changes every time as it does with Apple Pay).

Although they don't do NFC, they just use QR codes for their mobile payment solution.

Companies that want to be obdurate will be obdurate no matter what.

Whether this happens at large scale, I don't think it will - but time will tell.
 
The relevant market, in this case, is digital payment processing through the NFC chip. Apple Pay has a larger global market share for digital mobile payments than Google Wallet. Just to clarify, I'm expressing my opinion about the potential market consequences of the EU's actions and not spreading any information that could be seen as fear, uncertainty, or doubt on these forums.


Yes, but in this case I don't mind if the European banks looses and Apples dominate with a monopoly.
I want the banks to loose completely.
 
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