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EU to Accuse Apple of Unfairly Blocking Third-Party Access to NFC Payment Technology on iPhone
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You have choice. Use Android. What you seem to believe is that instead of accepting responsibility for your choice, you want to run to bureaucrats to force companies to do what you want.
Well then use tech built by your own tech giants and... oh wait, you don't have any. I wonder why that is.
Think about why both choices are American and why there's no viable 3rd option from anywhere in the EU. Go ahead.. think about why virtually all major tech starts here rather than in an environment that seems to discourage raw innovation and then strangle it. Got it yet?
EU folk - quit bitching about us and ask yourselves why a bloc of countries with just as many people as us (more, actually) and which is on aggregate just as rich has no horse in this race. Maybe, instead of complaining about our companies, you should ask why your societies have failed utterly to produce a tech giant - just one - that can compete with Apple and Google here.
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It sounds like you’re not concerned with functionality per se so much as how Apple profits from it. That explains a lot.
Their regulations and new rules are making it effectively act the same as saying "we don't want Apple".
So..?
So does that mean Apple has no right to use licensed tech how they wish to on the devices they make? Are we not allowed to pay for something then use it as we wish? I don't believe there is a rule that states "if you use NFC, you have to let anyone else use it that wants to".
Really? So, the developers had apps waiting for Apple to make an iPhone? Chicken/EGG. Apple made the iPhone. Then people bought it. Then Apple said we will create an SDK for developers to create first party apps, and here are the tools to do so, and its' costs and structure for selling on our store. Developers came LAST.
The fact that it had a camera, WIFI, a touch screen iPod, a PHONE, and a better web experience on a mobile device may have had more to do with Apples success than any one developers app.
SO DID DEVELOPERS! They made BILLIONS TOO!
And Google would make more hundreds of billions. And those developers would still pay the 30% CUT.
Every business operates for a profit and to return value to its shareholders. "IF" anything also aligns for you, me, us. Call it a bonus. They didn't break any rules (except these made up on the spot ones by the EU) to be in any trouble.
They are the alternative to Google Android. They are the other choice. You don't have another option if Apple walks away from the EU. Nokia can't save you anymore than Microsoft save them.
These laws the EU are coming up with basically means, you can't build anything special. Nothing unique. Make it open from the start. Good luck with that EU.
Lets straighten this up before we end up with another 40-page 'discussion' about how the EU is overreaching and bloated capitalistic monopolies are somehow interested in the wellbeing of their users rather than totalitarian control of their purchases:
1. Android has had just as many, or a lack thereof, exploits, security holes and hacks as iOS.
2. Let go of your fear of sideloading. Its would require you to toggle an on/off as on Android. You don't want to bother? It will never affect you.
3. Apple blocking NFC payments is ludicrous when Google Pay is just as secure and Android also has Samsung Pay, Paypal, Venmo etc available who also have no issues.
4. Seriously, stop listening to Apple's totalitarian propaganda on these issues. Just because Apple will inevitably have to make moves in these areas doesn't weaken your phone, your privacy or any of the hundreds of positive reasons you chose Apple.
4a. You use websites, open technologies and protocols like email, sms and Bluetooth and desktop machines that were not developed by Apple all the time, do not use their API's and are not controlled by them all the time, every single day. Sometimes you do this without thinking about it.
5. This isn't just the EU. The USA, Japan, South Korea and other markets will continue to push back against Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and every other tech giant.
6. Apple won't quit the EU. This is a dumb suggestion anyway (are they going to quit every principality that tries to litigate them? The only place they will be able to sell devices is the Moon) as the EU is the USA's largest trade investment partner.
1. Android has had just as many, or a lack thereof, exploits, security holes and hacks as iOS.
2. Let go of your fear of sideloading. Its would require you to toggle an on/off as on Android. You don't want to bother? It will never affect you.
3. Apple blocking NFC payments is ludicrous when Google Pay is just as secure and Android also has Samsung Pay, Paypal, Venmo etc available who also have no issues.
4. Seriously, stop listening to Apple's totalitarian propaganda on these issues. Just because Apple will inevitably have to make moves in these areas doesn't weaken your phone, your privacy or any of the hundreds of positive reasons you chose Apple.
4a. You use websites, open technologies and protocols like email, sms and Bluetooth and desktop machines that were not developed by Apple all the time, do not use their API's and are not controlled by them all the time, every single day. Sometimes you do this without thinking about it.
5. This isn't just the EU. The USA, Japan, South Korea and other markets will continue to push back against Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and every other tech giant.
6. Apple won't quit the EU. This is a dumb suggestion anyway (are they going to quit every principality that tries to litigate them? The only place they will be able to sell devices is the Moon) as the EU is the USA's largest trade investment partner.
Of course they are. All the complaints made to the EU about Apple are about money that developers think they can make.
These are the stupidest words I've read on this site. Ever. And utterly misunderstands what the word totalitarian means. Bye now.
Pumpkin, you can be upset, but it doesn't change the fact that the EU has regulated the enterprises under it to the point of being highly uncompetitive in a global marketplace. As such, rather than admit they were wrong (and cede power) they're determined to regulate actually successful American enterprises and drag everyone down to their worthless level.
As I have previously said, a competent American administration would be threatening the EU with a trade holy war right now.
I‘m primarily concerned with if/how consumers benefit from it.
(Largely) tying down and locking beneficial functionality (NFC) to one company’s service isn’t very beneficial to consumers. Especially in the absence of a third/fourth/fifth relevant competing smartphone/app store platform.
just stop with project fear
number 1 it would be your choice to download apps outside apple App Store as someone who knows people that own android phones they have never had malware. Number 2 you have answered your own question you don’t need to use the service if you don’t want nobody is going to force you to do it.
I wonder if these fear mongering people own a Mac. They must hate themselves for having such an opened device. Great post!
Uff, this is kind of uncomfortable to say but I'm not American and I am from an European country. Actually I have lived in a couple of European countries, so no reason to argue like this.
The only way for this statement to be true is if forced side loading had ZERO effect on competition. In other words, iPhone customers that preferred downloads to be limited to the App Store would have access to the same apps at the same price as the 3rd party stores.
Yet the EU appears to believe that forced side loading WILL have an effect on competition. So that means your statement is false.
This isn't strictly true. The OG iPhone and iPod Touch had tons of neat apps and games you could easily install from Cydia for months before the App Store even launched. Jobs tried the 'web apps' crap and developers just built their own stuff anyway.
Apple likely looked at the numbers Cydia was pulling in and decided that (rightfully) controlling and monetising that system was a winner. It made it easier and safer for devs and customers but crucially it was Cydia that proved there was a thirst for a digital storefront.
Had Jailbreaking, sideloading and Cydia never appeared Apple may never have bothered with the App Store.
Ah. It seems like consumers would benefit if there were better wifi or whatever, whether it was leveraged for profit or market share or not, so it looks like you‘re modifying your standard now.
i Sense project fear apple is a business don’t be silly the reason apple keep objecting to things like this it’s all about the money money money.
Its not about having an effect. 95% of Android users don't bother with anything other than the Play Store despite options like the Samsung Store being on a huge percentage of devices.
It is about giving customers the option.
How about all the people that want to make iPhones into Androids, just actually buy Androids.
If it is such a huge number then will be win win.
People get the features that they want and can still do what want on there smartphone.
Apples market share goes down so EU loses interest.
iPhones are simply a smartphone in the smartphone market. They are not separate market to other smartphones.
If it is such a huge number then will be win win.
People get the features that they want and can still do what want on there smartphone.
Apples market share goes down so EU loses interest.
iPhones are simply a smartphone in the smartphone market. They are not separate market to other smartphones.
Yes - but Wi-Fi has (virtually) always been an interoperable, widely accessible (for manufacturers) standard.
And that’s how it’s most beneficial for consumers (IMO).
Same thing with quick and/or wireless charging (where there’s also network effects coming into play, once you need to charge your phone in a public or someone else’s place). Proprietary standards are a mess. And not beneficial to consumers.
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You make a lot of assumptions. I only said what I said. I did not say at all I don’t like a closed garden or how the iPhone works. However, I’m pro user choice.
And Regulation in the EU will lead to it. there is no way out of it. Apple will never pull out of the EU market.
Wrong approach, your network should stay secure with the worst OS ever in it, your company is doing it wrong.
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Couldn't Apple implement something similar as it has done with macOS? There is a setting where I can choose to allow apps downloaded from App Store only or also from identified developers. As for NFC, maybe Apple could set a security standard for another company to achieve before it can be used.
Given the App Store has been around for 10 years, I suspect the vast majority would still stick with the Store as they are used to getting their apps there. Apple could advertise the advantages of only downloading from the App Store and most people would be convinced.
Given the App Store has been around for 10 years, I suspect the vast majority would still stick with the Store as they are used to getting their apps there. Apple could advertise the advantages of only downloading from the App Store and most people would be convinced.
Like isn’t every company that makes these apps going to force people? Aren’t they going to abandon the app store? Why would they bother with submitting to apple anymore?
Unfortunately, I think the EU is doing it to give billion/trillion dollar developers the option. Those are the companies (Epic, Spotify, Microsoft, Tinder) that filed the complaints, did the lobbying and testified for each other.