As opposed to the cheap lightning knock-offs that are used today?
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EU Warns Apple About Limiting Speeds of Uncertified USB-C Cables for iPhones
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Charging capability is all the spec addresses, and even then allows for other charging capabilities as long as those in the reg are supported as required. Apple or any other manufacturer could provided the required charging plus others that need a compatible cable and still meet the reg and its intent. Regular charging cables would still charge per the reg if they meet the specs, and the custom one would charge other devices as well to whatever level required by the reg; which is the intent of the regulation. Even then, there could be USB-C cables, fully compliant with the USB-C spec, that do not charge any device at all.
Data is not addressed, and rightly so.
Your assuming just because someone calls a cable USB-C it meets the spec.
Having worked on specs, it does not surprise me. By the time you get agreement you wind up with a pretty broad set of requirements, most of which are not mandatory but optional features or additional capablities.
I, they, and you are free to buy a Belkin, Anker, Apple and any other trusted brand. Just like I have been doing with my many other devices for years, including my USBC ONLY, MacBook Pro.
Im sorry to get political here but I have to. I guess you also enjoy customs and taxes too now whenever you want to buy something online from EU. Wonderful stuff. You also still get to enjoy waves of Romanians and Polish taking over your jobs which was #1 argumemt why you should leave EU. UK leaving EU was a super mistake, you had all the benfits but very little to give back into the pool compared to continetal powerhouses. UK leaving EU would be like Texas leaving US thinking it would be better for them in the long run.
Im not saying this in hate but in sadness. UK was a country where you could have left your front doors unlocked twenty years ago. Now? Now there are mailman stealing packages on regular basis, not poach pirates but royal mail employed mailman. London's problems where never European migration or immigration. And I will stop right here.
THIS!!
Why on Earth would charging with USB-C destroy innovation and cause all kinds of inconveniences and other troubles for consumers when Apple already willingly moved Lightning to USB-C on iPads?
Can any of you in the Pro Lightning crowd explain this?
Why would Apple even move to USB-C at all for any devices AFTER doing Lightning for both iPhones and iPads for years?
Why didn’t Apple ditch the industry standard USB-C and do some much superior, super innovative cable with much better specs over USB-C?
What is Apple’s main goal as a business, innovation or profits?
Could it be that nobody can do something that’s so superior to Thunderbolt(USB-C) that putting in the r&d and creating an entirely new proprietary cable would not be feasible or worth it in a world where Thunderbolt(USB-C) already is implemented in the highest end consumer tech?
Cable and port specs are innovative, not the form factor of the connectors and ports -Everything that sets Lightning apart from USB-C or A is arbitrary proprietary b.s. done to push you to get more proprietary products instead or using what you already have or what you’re buying for your other consumer tech that isn’t made by Apple.
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I’ve said something along these lines quite a few times on here. People have this idea that the forced switch to USB-C means we’re getting standardized everything. No…no we’re not. I could go to the store right now and pick up a few USB-C cables…all look the same…but all have different characteristics. I can’t go to the store and just pick any USB-C off the shelf and know exactly what I’m getting. The only “standardized“ thing about USB-C…is the shape.
You cannot destroy your phone by using an „unapproved“ cable. Every device only pulls the current they decide to pull. If a device explodes, it‘s because of mismanagement of the chips in your device, plus cheap batteries.
If my only apple device is my iPhone and I have 10-ish lightning cables and 2 wireless chargers so anywhere I am (home, car - 2 in the car, office) I can plug in; with a new iPhone those 10 cables get thrown in the garbage.
Sure, but most people go through cables like water anyway, they are on the churn of cheap gas station cables and replacements. Most people also know other folks who they might give the cables to, cascade their phone down to another family member, or sell bundled with the cables. This forum is a bad selection of people to make generalizations about use
Also speaking personally I’ll still have use for my spare lightning cables for years after my next phone and usbc for the wireless kbs, mice, etc I’ve got around that use them too, I doubt I’m alone
And look, eventually lightning would have had to be replaced anyway, the one USB3 lightning device Apple made had some creative use of pins and chips to do it, long term in some ways lightning was less future proof than the old connector was (though far nicer to use of course). So this problem was eventually going to surface with another Apple plug if not lightning
Lastly with all other Apple devices using USBC a lot of people will be able to have less cables around, reducing eventual waste
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Having Lightning for a sparse array of products is de facto a bullcrap footprint on the environment and Apple‘s so-called carbon-neutral business model. Pure hipocricy in the name of profits. All more „serious“ hardware has switched to USB-C already but the bean-counting has prevailed.
If Apple was able to achieve 5GB/s USB3.0 Lightning on the iPad Pros back in 2015, there is no reason it couldn't be faster now. But Apple just let it languish.
Calling people with a different opinion "paid shills" is a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for you.
There were always taxes when buying online from the EU. The difference is that previously the local taxes (of the seller) were charged, but now the retailer must charge the UK 20% VAT. It adds a bit more red tape and can cause delays in shipping, but hasn't really changed the taxes paid unless you're buying from a country that has a VAT rate less than 20%.
Not sure where you get this idea from. I live in more-or-less central London and my mailman leaves packages on my front doorstep if I'm not home. So does the Amazon guy. As far as I know, nothing's been nicked yet!
And I don't think it was really true that people left their doors unlocked in big UK cities 20 years ago.
(And for the record, I tend to agree with you that on balance, Brexit was a mistake. But it's happened and we have to live with it, not dwell on the past...)
The only time I've seen damage like this is when the cable is wrapped too tightly causing side-to-side stress near the strain relief. OTOH, Apple's use of a stiff strain relief encourages breaks just at the point in the picture. I'm very careful with my cables and I've only lost one Apple cable to stress.
I had a bad non-Apple Lightning cable fry the iPhone's port.
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I keep hearing the oft repeated mantra that making everyone use USB C smartphone charging cables will reduce e-waste, but nobody has explained exactly how exactly.
Because you don't need to buy and carry a different cable for each device you want to charge. When cables are standardized, then they can be shared between devices, and re-used between devices.
Is the desire of electronic device manufacturers so strong in wanting to screw over customers that they are not willing to work together to come up with a 'one cable fit's all' but instead go out of their way to work out how they can make a common standard become non-standard with their device so as to make it so customers have to buy more expensive cables than others just so customer can make their device function at maximum performance??!!!
There is way way too many usb charging cables out there and the EU is right to want to reduce the amount of cable e-waste that manufacturers produce but still you have Apple allegedly wanting to produce their own USB-C cable to get around the EU's call for harmonizing USB-C across electronic devices.
Apple 1: People, the EU has demanded a universal standard be used in electronic devices
Apple 2: But that means people will not be buying our expensive usb cables
Apple 1: I know, so how do we get around this, we must make sure our customers are able to purchase the expensive usb cable
Apple2: I have the answer. We build in restrictions into our devices. If the customer uses a non Apple usb cable the device restricts it's performance but if they use one of our approved cables, restrictions are off and the device functions to it's max
Apple1: That's a brilliant idea, now go and do it.
A few months later.....
Apple1: Hold off on building in the restrictions
Apple2: Why?
Apple1: The EU has got wind of our idea and has sent us letters
Apple2: Bugger, now what do we do?
Apple1: I'll get back to you on that.
There is way way too many usb charging cables out there and the EU is right to want to reduce the amount of cable e-waste that manufacturers produce but still you have Apple allegedly wanting to produce their own USB-C cable to get around the EU's call for harmonizing USB-C across electronic devices.
Apple 1: People, the EU has demanded a universal standard be used in electronic devices
Apple 2: But that means people will not be buying our expensive usb cables
Apple 1: I know, so how do we get around this, we must make sure our customers are able to purchase the expensive usb cable
Apple2: I have the answer. We build in restrictions into our devices. If the customer uses a non Apple usb cable the device restricts it's performance but if they use one of our approved cables, restrictions are off and the device functions to it's max
Apple1: That's a brilliant idea, now go and do it.
A few months later.....
Apple1: Hold off on building in the restrictions
Apple2: Why?
Apple1: The EU has got wind of our idea and has sent us letters
Apple2: Bugger, now what do we do?
Apple1: I'll get back to you on that.
Has Apple ever limited non-MFI iPhone/iPad Lightning cables or iPad USB-C cables?
The EU read a rumor.
Still doesn't address how it reduces waste.
Did it occur to you that EU regulators may have inside scoops or tips they dont feel the need to share with the public right now because it’s not official from Apple? Or that the put out the public letter to discourage *other* companies from considering such actions?
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