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So I don’t see a statement in this Directive telling that usb-c cable has to support very fast speeds. It’s only telling about “up to 100W” and referring to technology might be allowing even up to 240W.

So everything below 240 and 100 W passes this.
Everyone who is paying ISP for Internet knows what “up to” means.

Document is written wrongly, not Apple fault…

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So I don’t see a statement in this Directive telling that usb-c cable has to support very fast speeds.
It doesn't, and shouldn't. A device that only uses say 20 W has no need for a cable or being capable of charging at higher wattages. The spec even directly mentions low end phones that do not need high capacity charging.

As a result, you're still likely to see different cables needed for different speeds.

More importantly, the directive allows for custom power capabilities as long as the device supports those required by it. Having a proprietary charging capability doesn't take away any ability to charge per the PD spec. You could still use a generic cable and charge the device.

It’s only telling about “up to 100W” and referring to technology might be allowing even up to 240W.

They're allowing for updates to the spec.
 
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Rumored to not want to follow the law. You both don't get what facts are.
You can totally make clear you hate companies that don’t follow the law - without alleging one particular did or does not.

Did Thierry Breton claim that Apple doesn‘t or won‘t follow the law on the charging standard?

There’s somewhat credible rumours that Apple may undermine that standard. And it seems he sent them a letter to warn them. Did he - or his office - issue a public warning to Apple? Where does it say so?
 
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Well, the Chinese government and military affiliated company Hongqi designed those, which I think are pretty sleek.

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They are definitely after the American market with those designs. I can’t imagine they would be able to compete against the likes of BMW, Audi, Mercedes or Volvo in Europe but then each culture has their own tastes.
 
I didn't talk about iPhones. When the law was in effect everyone started using micro usb, this law has been removed and everyone have gone to using USB C instead.

Every government isn't the USA. EU have a fast legislative procedure as its easy to remove laws when they are obsolete. That is why the legal text do not have a single technological requirement but points to USBs own standard as maintained by them. So the second that standard is changed it will legally change as well.

This specification EN 62684:2010(micro usb) was active from 2009 to 2014, and has since been withdrawn as obsolete.
Either way I’m more on the side of consumer choice. If it’s a choice between me or the government deciding what kind of phone charging cable to buy, I will pick me deciding. Of course, everyone is different and many people feel better having the decision made for them.
 
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He should have said nothing in response to a rumor. Saying anything makes him look like an idiot, who can't distinguish between fantasy and reality.
He or they apparently did as you suggested yourself. Twice:
If the EU commissioner would've contacted Apple directly with his concerns, it would've been way better
„Thierry Breton has sent Apple a letter warning the company that limiting the functionality of USB-C cables would not be permitted and would prevent iPhones from being sold in the EU when the law goes into effect, according to German newspaper Die Zeit. The letter was obtained by German press agency DPA, and the report says the EU also warned Apple during a meeting in mid-March.“

Again, the rumours are somewhat credible. And there‘s hiszory that Apple has operated a similar hardware certification program that rendered working (though maybe unlicensed) cables inoperable.

A sales ban otherwise would be bad for Apple just as for European consumers and EU businesses.

👉 So what‘s wrong with the EU preemptively contacting Apple (directly, as you suggested and apparently they did) about the matter?
 
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He or they apparently did as you suggested yourself. Twice:

„Thierry Breton has sent Apple a letter warning the company that limiting the functionality of USB-C cables would not be permitted and would prevent iPhones from being sold in the EU when the law goes into effect, according to German newspaper Die Zeit. The letter was obtained by German press agency DPA, and the report says the EU also warned Apple during a meeting in mid-March.“
But this statement that limiting functionality is prohibited is not having any support in the document of Directive.
I am really curious of this topic. Maybe there is a newer version or attachement to it ?
Did you know something about it ?

Seems like they nailed the big ugly grille aesthetic that other companies are infatuated with.
As fake as new exhausts like in Audi (on linked video) or Mercedes from 2022:
 
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But this statement that limiting functionality is prohibited is not having any support in the document of Directive.
I am really curious of this topic. Maybe there is a newer version or attachement to it ?
Did you know something about it ?


As fake as new exhausts like in Audi (on linked video) or Mercedes from 2022:
Cars have always been fashion statements. Look at the fins on 50's cars, for example.
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Look at this baby. :)
 
Again, the rumours are somewhat credible. And there‘s history that Apple has operated a similar hardware certification program that rendered working (though maybe unlicensed) cables inoperable.
No, they are not credible! They are rumors. Only leaks can be credible.
A sales ban otherwise would be bad for Apple just as for European consumers and EU businesses.
It's never bad to ban an illegal product. There's no point in having rules, if they aren't enforced.
👉 So what‘s wrong with the EU preemptively contacting Apple (directly, as you suggested and apparently they did) about the matter?
Contacting and asking is somewhat different from issuing a warning and threatening a sales ban. You don't warn and threat preemptively based on rumor someone allegedly might want to break a law that isn't even in effect yet. This whole communication should be careful and silent. There are enough companies which already broke the law, with them the language can be more threatening.
 
👉 So what‘s wrong with the EU preemptively contacting Apple (directly, as you suggested and apparently they did) about the matter?

Nothing, but the assumption seems to be that Apple will somehow limit cables, rather than adding functionality beyond that required by the reg; which is well within the reg as it specifically allows such actions. People are making an assumption of malice and getting all worked up over an unsubstantiated rumor.
 
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So they make a law that mentions nothing about data speeds and then threaten to not allow selling if data speeds are limited, quite outside of their authority under the law they passed. Yep, nothing to see here.
 
If the EU were so good at electronics why don’t they just make their own devices and stop telling real companies how to make good products! Seems like a bunch of stuffed shirts making decisions about things they have no idea about. Every think about where the fines go and who’s really paying for them and all the attorneys? This is probably why your iPhone cost 1400 instead of 1000. Use your head sheeple!
Technically Apple has their major financial headquarters in Ireland and a huge amount of employees across the rest of the EU. That definitely puts them, as a company forgetting about product imports, in the EU domain. Did you forget about that?

Hell, not sure if it’s still true, but for much of the last couple decades Apple had more cash stashed in the EU than in the US.
 
Yes it did. The law is crystal clear from day one. If a phone can be fast charged it must support usb PD standard if you can't use a USB c cable that is compatible with USB PD because it the wrong color then it's not legal and breaks the regulatory implementation.
Supporting USB PD means nothing, it's a standard that supports up to 240W, which 1W is in that category. And a phone supporting Fast charging, is just marketing, every manufacture has a different definition of this, and many phones have different definitions depending on the charing type, i.e. QI fast charging is no where near as fast as wired fast charging. The EU law doesn't say that it must support the Maximum of USB PD, because no phone support that yet. So... a phone could support USB-PD at 10W and if the cable is color matched it supported USB-PD 60W, and is within the EU Regulations.
 
If the EU forced Apple to do this when Lightning came out, iPhones would have micro USB today. Can you imagine the big 💩 that would be

The EU explained very clearly their rationale and why having a standard charging interface is in the interest of EU consumers. They expected a standard interface for charging to emerge from the free market and didn't enact any regulation at first, waiting to see how the situation evolved and whether the fragmentation would resolve by itself.

Only when it became clear that the free market was not going to deliver said standard charging interface they decided to intervene. As counter-example, they explicitly excluded regulating wireless charging because they are currently satisfied with what the free market is delivering in terms of lack of fragmentation between interfaces.

This is exactly how a free and democratic government should handle the free market when the free market alone is not delivering satisfactory solutions.
 
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Consumers hate advertising. EU are yet to ban it.

Hating something doesn't mean believing it's not necessary. Many hate their job too, but they still need the money so they still go to work.

But yes, theoretically if enough people want advertisement banned, they should be able to have the goverment deliver exactly that and reap the consequences.
 
Supporting USB PD means nothing, it's a standard that supports up to 240W, which 1W is in that category. And a phone supporting Fast charging, is just marketing, every manufacture has a different definition of this, and many phones have different definitions depending on the charing type, i.e. QI fast charging is no where near as fast as wired fast charging. The EU law doesn't say that it must support the Maximum of USB PD, because no phone support that yet. So... a phone could support USB-PD at 10W and if the cable is color matched it supported USB-PD 60W, and is within the EU Regulations.
No, the legal text do not say phones or cables need to support 100w PD. And that would be ludicrous. Fast charging isn't marketing. It explicitly say what that means
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As well as how to implement it.

in the case of radio equipment which is subject to the requirements set out in point 3 of Part I, a description of the specifications relating to charging capabilities of the radio equipment, in so far as it is capable of being recharged by means of wired charging at voltages higher than 5 Volts or currents higher than 3 Amperes or powers higher than 15 Watts, including an indication that the radio equipment supports the USB Power Delivery charging protocol by displaying the text “USB PD fast charging” and an indication of any other supported charging protocol by displaying its name in text format.
 
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View attachment 2199041English is not my native language so if I am wrong feel free to correct me :) I will appreciate.

So I don’t see a statement in this Directive telling that usb-c cable has to support very fast speeds. It’s only telling about “up to 100W” and referring to technology might be allowing even up to 240W.

So everything below 240 and 100 W passes this.
Everyone who is paying ISP for Internet knows what “up to” means.

Document is written wrongly, not Apple fault…

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The document exist in 24 difrent languages

And that part is the prenup of the legal text describing what words mean and their defenitions so you understand what the legal text actually mean. The regulation is 8 pages down.

And here a more clarification if needed.
  1. EN IC 62680-1-2:2021 Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power - Part 1-2: Common components - USB Power Delivery specification
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Either way I’m more on the side of consumer choice. If it’s a choice between me or the government deciding what kind of phone charging cable to buy, I will pick me deciding. Of course, everyone is different and many people feel better having the decision made for them.
Well they are. Consumers don't choose charging standards, manufacturers do and everyone had their proprietary solution. You pick the phone, the cable wasn't even part of the equation.

After 2014, they where all legally allowed to implement whatever standard they wanted.

And this wasn't the government choosing what to use, but thr industry chose micro usb as the standard by voluntarily singing a refurendum of understanding to chose a common solution.
 
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The EU explained very clearly their rationale and why having a standard charging interface is in the interest of EU consumers.
Please provide a source for this statement. The only explanation I heard was the wish to 'reduce e-waist' and that really isn't on my short list of 'interests as a EU consumer'.

They expected a standard interface for charging to emerge from the free market and didn't enact any regulation at first, waiting to see how the situation evolved and whether the fragmentation would resolve by itself.

Only when it became clear that the free market was not going to deliver said standard charging interface they decided to intervene. As counter-example, they explicitly excluded regulating wireless charging because they are currently satisfied with what the free market is delivering in terms of lack of fragmentation between interfaces.
So basically, you are saying that the goal of a free market is standardisation. I thought the goal of a free market was to have companies make/develop products and then let the consumer decide where it wants to spend its money.

This is exactly how a free and democratic government should handle the free market when the free market alone is not delivering satisfactory solutions.
'satisfactory solutions' according to who? I really do not know one single person that had this on their priority list, nor one politician standing in the street saying, "choose me in the EU parlement, I will give you USB on all your devices." The EU isn't democratic, the fact that one can cast a vote, doesn't make the system democratic or 'legal'. EU parlement has very limited powers, which leads to 'lets make laws, because we can' in the area's they have power. The real problems (how to pay your electrical bill, the migration problem, etc) are left untouched. Having a USB charging port on al devices is way more important. The only task of a democratic government regarding a free market is making rules, so the playing field is equal to all. So no selling under production price because you can, or pay workers under the minimum wages (yes, we have minimum wages here), comply with safety regulations, etc. Then let consumers decide what product they want to buy. And if Apple should notice they aren't selling as much as they could, because there iPhone hasn't got USB, believe me, they will change that in an instance.
 
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