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The problem with this plan is either of two things will happen.

1. Manufacturers will no longer include a charger with the phone, unless the phone has specific charging needs (like the iPad). You'll have to make sure you have a microUSB charger before you buy. I think many people will be upset and view this as gouging.

or

2. Manufactuers will continue to provide chargers in the box ... which does very little to reduce the amount of chargers manufacturered.

The only upside I see in this is that you could buy one car charger and use it for all phones, present and future. Although, when we upgraded our phones, I made sure both mine and my wife's phone used the same charging interface, just for that reason.

But different battery need different level of charging, will every phone in the EU have to have the same battery type, I am confused why this makes any sense at all. Are those people just bored and need something to do. :eek:
 
The downside is it is one more thing you don't get to decide as a business or as a consumer. It has nothing to do with chargers.

It's not something that I had any input in to begin with.

I can't charge my iPhone 4 with a Micro USB cable or charger. There's nothing I can do short of buying a different phone.

The whole point here is to prevent proprietary charging interfaces.

If Apple sold two products - one with Micro USB and one without, you might have a point.

This move should create consumer choice, by allowing them to choose which adapter to buy.
 
Typical Eurotrash Eurononsense Eurocrap.

You know what they say "If you're standing in front of a toilet, You're-a-pee'n."

It's a good idea because it means that a universal connection between devices should reduce waste/make it easier for consumers; various manufacturers have been taking the mickey (eg nokia) by using more than one type of charger in their line of devices. I don't see steve-o losing sleep over an extra adapter in the box that'll likely be tiny anyways. I do agree however think it's a tad tedious however the European commision are like that; eg, the requirement for the central brake light on a vehicle to be a certain distance from the number plate.

PS I'd prefer Eurocrap to the GOP.
 
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"There has been considerable speculation about whether Apple will be able to meet the requirements of the micro-USB standard, as the company currently uses a proprietary 30-pin dock connector for charging and interfacing with computers over USB."

But does not the 30-pin do more than just charge, now would the mini-usb handle controls I must be missing something from the standard. :confused:
 
I swear, if I asked most of you what the biggest threat to freedom is, you'd probably say "the religious right", because of their supposed desire to legally regulate human sexuality. But you're all for bureaucrats and their demonstrated desire to regulate every other aspect of your life, even down to what you will use to charge your cell phone.

You'd be right. I think people trying to forbid gay marriage or getting a b.j. from your girlfriend is a bigger threat than rules regarding cell phone chargers.
 
It's a good idea because it means that a universal connection between devices should reduce waste/make it easier for consumers; various manufacturers have been taking the mickey (eg nokia) by using more than one type of charger in their line of devices. I don't see steve-o losing sleep over an extra adapter in the box that'll likely be tiny anyways. I do agree however think it's a tad tedious however the European commision are like that; eg, the requirement for the central brake light on a vehicle to be a certain distance from the number plate.

PS I'd prefer Eurocrap to the GOP.

Eurocrap is right, that said the GOP has no brains just hot air so no real comparison, when is the last time the GOP came up with anything resembling reality. But I admit a little on the anal side when it comes to this new rules. Of course apple uses on standard pin setup where nokia is all over the map.
 
You'd be right. I think people trying to forbid gay marriage or getting a b.j. from your girlfriend is a bigger threat than rules regarding cell phone chargers.

Neither of those is a concern that most people in the EU have.

Religion plays very little role in our Politics.

Several EU countries already have Gay Marriage, others have Civil Partnerships - even some of the countries with the deepest Religion have them.
 
30-pin Dock Connector is the one becoming obsoleted, not USB (which is seeing resurgence with 3.0 spec).

Although Apple can always update the Dock Connector in the future, in its present form, it is essentially USB 2.0 + analog stereo audio out + analog stereo audio in + analog SD video out (composite and S-video). At the very minimum, it should be updated to output HDMI. And ideally, USB 3.0 for faster data transfer (and thus syncing).

Although including micro-USB in addition to 30-pin Dock Connector would create some design mess for iPhone and iPod models, it's easily doable on iPad. And doing so will reduce the need for Camera Connection kit, while allowing USB MIDI instruments and other untapped accessories.
 
A dock connector to micro USB adapter would be awesome. It could be made very compact and stay on the phone all the time, letting you use most any charger anywhere.

I think I might have seen something like that for sale somewhere, but it was a lot bulkier than it needed to be.
 
The idea is that when you bought a mobile phone, and then they rip you off for £20 for a charger that shouldn't cost more than £5 including some serious profit margin, and then you switch to another mobile phone, then the second company shouldn't be able to rip you off for another £20.

Or when an email goes round in the office it's not "does anyone have a charger for a soandso model soandso mobile phone", but "does anyone have a charger for a mobile phone that I can borrow".

Or that I can buy a mobile phone charger for my car and it will charge _any_ mobile phone.

I get it, so leave it up to the government to help those who are careless and unorganized. This is petty.
 
I get it, so leave it up to the government to help those who are careless and unorganized. This is petty.

You're ignoring the part about having to buy a £25 charger that costs Apple pennies to make and is about 5 times as expensive as chargers sold by other phone manufacturers.
 
I get it, so leave it up to the government to help those who are careless and unorganized. This is petty.

The days of proprietary charger connections should be well over by now. One standard is better for the consumer.

Like another poster said, I too hope this comes to cameras soon, and other portable devices. One charger fits all... the added bonus of your USB connectors on your computer can also be used to recharge ( at a slower pace ).

But hey, if you don't like it, keep buying your over priced Apple chargers!
 
30-pin Dock Connector is the one becoming obsoleted, not USB (which is seeing resurgence with 3.0 spec).

Although Apple can always update the Dock Connector in the future, in its present form, it is essentially USB 2.0 + analog stereo audio out + analog stereo audio in + analog SD video out (composite and S-video). At the very minimum, it should be updated to output HDMI. And ideally, USB 3.0 for faster data transfer (and thus syncing).

Although including micro-USB in addition to 30-pin Dock Connector would create some design mess for iPhone and iPod models, it's easily doable on iPad. And doing so will reduce the need for Camera Connection kit, while allowing USB MIDI instruments and other untapped accessories.

I've said screw the pin connector all together. Sync over wifi and use a smaller form factor mag safe to charge the phone.
 
This could have turned out worse. What happens when micro USB is obsolete? This whole thing is trying to solve a problem the wrong way. They want to keep chargers out of the landfill. Why not require the chargers to be highly recyclable instead of reusable? I would just throw out the chargers anyway if I had more then a couple.

That's the point behind the standardization push. If you know that any device in this category can be charged by the same charger, you don't need to own a different charger for every such device. For example, I don't need to own a different charger for my iPod (last gen before it became 'Classic'), and iPhone. I can use the same charger for both.

Being able to use micro USB for an entire category of similar devices means that when I upgrade I'm not left with a charger that doesn't work with anything I own any more. Even if my new device comes with its own charger (not necessarily necessary anymore), I can keep the old one at work, and the new one at home, instead of throwing out the old pair and replacing them with a new pair.

iPods and iPhones could be looked at as a proof-of-concept on this. They've used the 30-pin dock connector for how long now? Pretty much any iPod charging accessory still works with any iDevice. (There's an exception to that rule with the iPad because it needs more current than older chargers supplied, but you can use the iPad charger to charge an iPhone or iPod just fine.)

Yes, eventually micro USB will be replaced with something else. In the mean time, a common charger standard will take care of having 8 different 5V/.5A chargers that are incompatible solely because they don't share a device-end connector.
 
I've said screw the pin connector all together. Sync over wifi and use a smaller form factor mag safe to charge the phone.

So you would suggest abandoning the 30 pin connector because you personally only use it to sync and charge? That's nice. other people use it for other things like audio, control of the iPhone/iPod via car controls and video output. You can interface the dock connector to VGA and HDMI adaptors as well as component or composite video. How would you do that with USB?

The beauty of the 30 pin connector is that it can be made to work with future standards like USB 3 or something completely different whereas a USB port is pretty limited.
 
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Do you really think Jobs is stupid enough to give up billions in profits rather than add a simple in-line adaptor to the USB to dock cable? :rolleyes:

Yep.


He doesn't take in to consideration what his customers want (only if he thinks it's a good idea as well). He does exactly as he pleases - look at the iPad - great device, but it could have been - and still can be / is becoming - a creation device.
 
I have to ask...you do know that micro USB is just a standard usb connection? And that not every single device on the planet will need to use it?

Yes I know this.

If the standard connector goes from the usual USB A connector to the micro for phones only then there will be continued usage of the A style ports on computers. But if the micro standard takes over then eventually any need for the A connector will be for older hardware.

Apple might sell an adapter for people wishing to use the USB A port on their computer. But the need for that adapter may go away over time.
 
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