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Ever heard of a simple cable on sale at any apple store which has USB C port on one side and lightning on another?

they even come in different lenghts ;)

You miss the point entirely. The point is to ensure devices can SHARE cables thus reduce waste and excess cables.

Plus I’m still left with a redundant cable. One with USB and the other USB-C, plus a USB-C to USB-C cable for my other non Apple devices, etc etc....

Big thumbs up to the EU for this.
 
Regardless of what one thinks of this law, I find the Apple statement hilarious.


• Ever heard of the headphone jack removal? Also, you don't want external adaptors… what about those USB-C only Macs?
With Bluetooth headsets created less cables more batteries. It’s a trade-off, imo.
• Could you tell us more about that 30 pin connector removal please?
Floppies died, vhs died, 8 track died, laser discs died. All connectors will undergo an end of life.

• Lightning dates back to 2012, right? It's not like you're in a hurry to create a new port every year.
Correct, see above.
The Lightning cables will go in the garbage before USB-C cables anyway.
Suppositions are fun.
 
Ask Apple if you are that interested.

Show me the usb roadmap for the next 10 years.
USB4 goes far further than anything Lightning has.

I don't need to ask Apple. They told everybody Lightning is dead by putting USB-C on the iPad Pro.
 
USB4 goes far further than anything Lightning has.

I don't need to ask Apple. They told everybody Lightning is dead by putting USB-C on the iPad Pro.
That’s not a roadmap. Hundreds of millions of devices have lightning. It has more life than usb4 will ever have.

However, the EU could try as they might. They won’t be able to force Apple to do anything they don’t want.
 
It has more life than usb4 will ever have.
You are joking.

If the EU wants to force Apple, they can do it.

The only reason to allow Apple to introduce Lightning devices this year is if they plan to go fully wireless in 2021.
 
You are joking.

If the EU wants to force Apple, they can do it.

The only reason to allow Apple to introduce Lightning devices this year is if they plan to go fully wireless in 2021.
Nope I’m serious. You seriously believe the EU can force Apple to a certain hardware design? Apple will provide dongles.
Apple isn’t going fully wireless either. A decent method to charge the phone is needed.
 
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Nope I’m serious. You seriously believe the EU can force Apple to a certain hardware design? Apple isn’t going fully wireless either. A decent method to charge the phone is needed.
Of course they can force it. Unless Apple wants to stop selling devices in the EU or make different versions.

Apple strives for minimalism, not practicality. It would not be surprising if they plan to get rid of all ports.
 
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They told everybody Lightning is dead by putting USB-C on the iPad Pro.

How so?

iPad Pro follows Apple's normal paradigm of USBC on "host" devices intended to be used with external peripherals, and Lightning on "satellite" devices like phones or ipods or airpods.

The change was more that the ipad pro is more of a "host" device now rather than a "satellite" as prior ipads have been.
 
How so?

iPad Pro follows Apple's normal paradigm of USBC on "host" devices intended to be used with external peripherals, and Lightning on "satellite" devices like phones or ipods or airpods.

The change was more that the ipad pro is more of a "host" device now rather than a "satellite" as prior ipads have been.
Not using the same connector for all iOS goes against Apple's own rules.
 
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Not using the same connector for all iOS goes against Apple's own rules.

The iPad Pro uses iPadOS, not iOS. :cool:

We shall see what happens with the other iPadOS devices as they refresh in the future and whether Apple shifts them to USBC or not.
 
More to do with politics than technology.
Just more neo-socialist whip cracking to keep the drones in line.
The UK hasn't been democratic for decades.
 
Of course they can force it. Unless Apple wants to stop selling devices in the EU or make different versions.

Apple strives for minimalism, not practicality. It would not be surprising if they plan to get rid of all ports.
Your belief they can force it might be very different than reality.

Again, getting rid of all ports means one has to provide a robust way to charge in every situation.
 
Your belief they can force it might be very different than reality.

Again, getting rid of all ports means one has to provide a robust way to charge in every situation.
The EU already forced Microsoft to offer a version of Windows without WMP and later a browser choice window.

It is Apple who likes terrible design, not me.
 
The EU already forced Microsoft to offer a version of Windows without WMP and later a browser choice window.

It is Apple who likes terrible design, not me.
One is flipping a few bits, the other is disenfranchising potentially 10s of millions of people.

Apple has great design and great hardware. Lightning should be standardized.
 
One is flipping a few bits, the other is disenfranchising potentially 10s of millions of people.

Apple has great design and great hardware. Lightning should be standardized.
Apple has not been great for years.

Lightning is the past, USB4 is the future.

Getting rid of old wasteful technology disenfranchises nobody.
 
But each protocol change requires new cables. 20 gig, 40 gig, how much power 50w or 100w, usb 3 or tb 3, etc its really a confusing tangle. And aren’t some incompatible even if they fit? Like if its a TB3 cable, but the chipset on the computer is only usb 3? Is it 3? 3.1? 3.2? 3.2x2?
Yes, USB-C is a marketing nightmare. There's a reason there's a lot of confusion regarding it: It is very confusing. Many technicians I know are confused by it, so it's no wonder consumers are.

I suspect that eventually consumers will come to get used to the idea that there is only one port: USB-C, but that they are not all created equal. A bit like how consumers today understand that the shape of the port gives a strong indication as to its capabilities. That will no longer be the case with USB-C, and people will have to learn that.
 
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Yes, USB-C is a marketing nightmare. There's a reason there's a lot of confusion regarding it: It is very confusing. Many technicians I know are confused by it, so it's no wonder consumers are.
Just buy a cable that supports everything.

It is like HDMI.
 
Apple has not been great for years.

Lightning is the past, USB4 is the future.

Getting rid of old wasteful technology disenfranchises nobody.
Putting in new tech that benefits a few, disenfranchises millions and helps little and causes massive waste is a universal failure waiting to happen.
 
Putting in new tech that benefits a few helps no one and causes massive waste.
The Lightning stuff will have to be thrown away anyway. The USB-C stuff will last for the foreseeable future.
 
The Lightning stuff will have to be thrown away anyway. The USB-C stuff will last for the foreseeable future.
Usb-c as a connector is inferior to the lightning cable and will have to be thrown away for that reason. I think what this will boil down to is dongles and adapters.
 
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