'Evasi0n' iOS 7 Jailbreak Controversy Surrounding Piracy and Chinese Partnership

[fallenjt]

I never jailbroke my phone before and wanted to start now with iOS 7. I guess it's a no-no for now?
Anyway, with the 5S, is it useful to jailbreak? I read there are almost no Cydia Apps compatible with it for no.
Thanks.

You dont miss much. I always jailbroke mine before and when I look back, the only apps that I actually needed were iBlacklist and MyWi while the rest was for fun or convenience. Now in iOS 7, call blocking is available and tethering is allowed from carrier, I dont need jailbreak anymore. To those who love jailbreaking: what actual apps you must have that can only be available in Cydia? Not that many.

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Err, so you're saying that nobody in Asian countries installs apps on their phones?



For some people this is true. But most of those people have iPhones already, bought on the grey market or whatever. China Mobile carrying the iPhone exposes it much more to the normal, middle class, mass market in China.

If anything, the more people have it, the less the iPhone becomes less about status/'cool', and more about utility and practicality.

Utility and practicality: already abundant with android phones w free apps. Why wait for iPhone if it's not about for showing?

 

[vmachiel]

Well, i'm glad new iOS 7 features removed my desire to jailbreak. I might look into it at some point in the future but with all this "drama" i'm avoiding it as well for the time being.

 

[old-wiz]

Pretty much they released the jailbreak because a chinese malware/piracy company paid them money.

Does the jailbreak itself include a backdoor for hackers to take over your phone?

 

[DaveN]

So, to summarise the majority of posts in this thread:

Chinese, Pirates [NB: to some these two are the same]: Bad
Me: Good

Got it.

Let me simplify things for you.

Previous jailbreaks served only to enhance user options without promoting the pirating of other developers' 99 cent programs.

This jailbreak promotes a store known for pirated software and was released early as the pirate store paid the jailbreak developers. No where in the documentation does the jailbreak say they are going to install the pirate store on your device.

See the difference?

 

[Tsuki415]

Does the jailbreak work? Is it worth using?

I'm not looking for right-doers or Apple/Android fanboy fights.

Does it work? Can anyone confirm that it's working well? That is all.

 

[xofruitcake]

Who cares if they got paid 1M. So much work and effort they put into the jailbreak why should they work for free?

heh heh, and this is one of the more stupid statement of the day. The question is not why or how much the jailbreak developers make. The real question here is why would a company decided to pay a cool million (or whatever the actual amount turn out to be) to sponsor the jailbreak programming effort? What do the payer go out of your device when you install the jail break code? How much of your personal information are you willing to let someone steal it from your device? If you are over 18 and can not make the connection, I am afraid you really has no private information any more. And for those 8 people who rec your post, I think they have the same problem too )..

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Does the jailbreak itself include a backdoor for hackers to take over your phone?

And who would know that other than the hackers themselves? The motive is certainly suspicious and it is up to you to decide if you want to risk your device and your personal information.

 

[spinedoc77]

heh heh, and this is one of the more stupid statement of the day. The question is not why or how much the jailbreak developers make. The real question here is why would a company decided to pay a cool million (or whatever the actual amount turn out to be) to sponsor the jailbreak programming effort? What do the payer go out of your device when you install the jail break code? How much of your personal information are you willing to let someone steal it from your device? If you are over 18 and can not make the connection, I am afraid you really has no private information any more. And for those 8 people who rec your post, I think they have the same problem too )..

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And who would know that other than the hackers themselves? The motive is certainly suspicious and it is up to you to decide if you want to risk your device and your personal information.

Yeah this is kind of scary. I definitely think the jailbreaking team deserves to get paid, but they simply just should charge for the jailbreak. I would not have had any issue paying a small fee for the jailbreak, say $20 or so. Let them make a bit of money and have incentive to do what they do.

But this whole getting paid by a shady Chinese company without a clear motivation for them to give the money away is very scary.

It's a shame, pirating apps like that. I think the only justifying factor is that Apple should have a trial period where you can return the app like Android does, still that's a weak justification. All the hard work devs put in, and it's not like we are talking about a $60 playstation game. People who pirate a freakin $2 app should be shot. Although I do have mixed feelings about IAP, still it's better to vote with your feet.

 

[nebo1ss]

I wish I understood what all the Fuss is about. The Jailbreak was developed by the same Team that have given us other jailbreaks and we trusted them then. It was not developed by the Chinese. They included an APP store for the Chinese market that is similar to Cydia but apparently makes getting cracked apps easier for the Chinese. Guess what, you can also get cracked apps on Cydia, maybe you have to go through an extra step by adding the repo but the process is there.

The only thing I can see that is different is that the testing with Cydia was not done prior to release. Why would the addition of a Chinese app store in China cause all this outrage. When you jailbreak you are putting your trust in the Dev team that they will not do anything bad with your device. That is one of the reasons why Apple tells you not to jailbreak.

 

[Orlandu]

A lot of armchair reporters and people on their high horses because of the Taig issue. But let's face it, EVERYONE who jailbreaks wanted this. Even through Cydia you can get access to pirated material. But nobody is in an uproar about that because it supplies what they need to enjoy jailbreaking their devices. The fact of the matter remains: the jailbreak is here. Use it if you want, don't use it if you don't want to. Stop trying to justify your lack of desire to jailbreak with an anecdotal opinion on the situation.

 

[WilliamLondon]

Let me simplify things for you.

Previous jailbreaks served only to enhance user options without promoting the pirating of other developers' 99 cent programs.

This jailbreak promotes a store known for pirated software and was released early as the pirate store paid the jailbreak developers. No where in the documentation does the jailbreak say they are going to install the pirate store on your device.

See the difference?

I'm quite familiar with jailbreaking, perhaps you misunderstood my comment? This thread is a great (horrible) opportunity for bigots to share their thoughts ("you can't trust the Chinese" is just one example), as well as for people to declare themselves (in a superior way) to be "good law abiding citizens who never pirate" and everyone else (in this case, both pirates and Chinese) to be bad. It's really quite disgusting, but every time jailbreaking comes up, this happens, this time is only different because "the Chinese" are involved, providing a reason for even more biases to be expressed.

Is that more clear?

 

[Mark Booth]

I can't wait for the news about nefarious operatives that have gained control of people's devices through the jailbreak process.



Mark

 

[gnasher729]

Does the jailbreak itself include a backdoor for hackers to take over your phone?

Wrong question. The correct question is: Are you sure the jailbreak itself doesn't include a backdoor for hackers to take over your phone? And are you sure the Chinese hackers who sell pirated apps are neither the Chinese government nor our special friends from the NSA? If you are sure, what evidence do you have?

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I'm quite familiar with jailbreaking, perhaps you misunderstood my comment? This thread is a great (horrible) opportunity for bigots to share their thoughts ("you can't trust the Chinese" is just one example), as well as for people to declare themselves (in a superior way) to be "good law abiding citizens who never pirate" and everyone else (in this case, both pirates and Chinese) to be bad. It's really quite disgusting, but every time jailbreaking comes up, this happens, this time is only different because "the Chinese" are involved, providing a reason for even more biases to be expressed.

Is that more clear?

Times have changed. When Apple introduced the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone 5s, there was a massive outbreak of paranoia here. And the arguments against Apple passing on information to the NSA are basically: (1) Apple has nothing to win and a 100 billion dollar business to lose if they do that, and (2) Apple is a huge company with tens of thousands of employees and something like that would be impossible to keep a secret.

Now there is a jailbreak that comes with a hackers' app that is intended to let you download pirated software. Can you imagine any better use of the NSA's money than to get at them and add their own code to the jailbreak? Worse, if the NSA looks for exploits and finds one that will only work with support of the phone's owner, what better way to get it into the wild than creating a jailbreak?

PS. For quite a while it was impossible for anyone, including the police, to read anything stored on your password locked iPhone unless they had access to backups on your computer (so it's not really your phone), or confiscated the phone and actually got Apple to help. Now with a jailbreak available again, they _might_ be able to get at your data again, so if you want to be safe change your passcode to at least eight digits.

 

[jw2002]

So, to summarise the majority of posts in this thread:

Chinese, Pirates [NB: to some these two are the same]: Bad
Me: Good

Got it.

Exactly. Yet another thread descends into pontificating over piracy and now tinged with a bit of racism. Shouldn't such posts be held in the politics/religion/social issues forum or perhaps wasteland?

 

[xofruitcake]

The only thing I can see that is different is that the testing with Cydia was not done prior to release. Why would the addition of a Chinese app store in China cause all this outrage. When you jailbreak you are putting your trust in the Dev team that they will not do anything bad with your device. That is one of the reasons why Apple tells you not to jailbreak.

I hope you are under 18 as well if you still cannot make that connection. Everyone rely on the app store to weed out apps that has malicious content. Now the folks that pay 1M for the developers want to put their app store in your phone. Do you know what kind of deal they make with the app developer to put their app in this new app store? Do you know what kind of effect all these new apps that you download from this new default app store will do to your phone or your information? What if some of the apps from the new app store has a key logger program embeded in them? Now all your information and activities are uploaded to be sold in the black market.

And this is a thread of discussion after the massive Target credit infromation breach making headline all weekend and people still don't think about security to protect their smartphone and all their online activities. What can you say about it?

 

[WilliamLondon]

Exactly. Yet another thread descends into pontificating over piracy and now tinged with a bit of racism. Shouldn't such posts be held in the politics/religion/social issues forum or perhaps wasteland?

Exactly, and pontificating is the perfect word, and the racism is really offensive, I thought the same thing that this thread should be moved to the politics forum.

There's a great scene in the original Footloose where Ren's Uncle is the first one to jump up and announce to the room that he supports the Minister's belief that dancing should be outlawed, it's like he'd fight others to declare he was the most obedient and respectful of authority and deserved a gold star to wear on his lapel that everyone in town could see and envy because he agreed with authority more than everybody else, therefore he was superior in being the best at being good.

 

[jimi78]

I jailbroke this morning and there is no trace of this program. I'm not sure where this is coming from but I definitely have no trace of it, despite scouring, through ssh, through my 4S.

It shows up for users with Chinese language as default. It was probably removed also.

 

[Nickerbocker]

I hope you are under 18 as well if you still cannot make that connection. Everyone rely on the app store to weed out apps that has malicious content. Now the folks that pay 1M for the developers want to put their app store in your phone. Do you know what kind of deal they make with the app developer to put their app in this new app store? Do you know what kind of effect all these new apps that you download from this new default app store will do to your phone or your information? What if some of the apps from the new app store has a key logger program embeded in them? Now all your information and activities are uploaded to be sold in the black market.

And this is a thread of discussion after the massive Target credit infromation breach making headline all weekend and people still don't think about security to protect their smartphone and all their online activities. What can you say about it?

But his point was: You always put your trust in the Jailbreak team. Nothing really has changed except that the association with a chinese app store known for piracy has made everything look sketchier. But there was always a risk when jailbreaking your hardware. There is not more risk now, just less trust.

 

[mully1121]

To those who love jailbreaking: what actual apps you must have that can only be available in Cydia? Not that many.

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Personally I really miss BiteSMS, Activator, SwipeAway (kill all apps with one swipe), SwipeSelection (makes editing text so much easier, I miss this one a lot more that I thought I would), ShowCase, F.lux, LockDown Pro, and the ability to have 5 items in my dock. I will admit Apple added a lot of functionality with iOS7 but there are definitely still things I miss. I'm also really excited to see what JB app developers do with the new notification and control centers.

 

[Codestud]

It all seems very dodgy to me.

My feeling is that if you are the type of person that feels like you want to jailbreak an iPhone, then the iPhone isn't really the phone for you. Buy an Android phone instead.

Personally I like being inside the vetted App Store which has advantages for security and gives a better user experience.

 

[anubis72]

Don't waste your time with this jailbreak. Wait until they clean up this mess. None of the supposed "compatible apps" work for me, but I'm still on an iPhone 4 so your mileage may vary...This is not the jailbreak experience you were looking for.

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It all seems very dodgy to me.

My feeling is that if you are the type of person that feels like you want to jailbreak an iPhone, then the iPhone isn't really the phone for you. Buy an Android phone instead.

Personally I like being inside the vetted App Store which has advantages for security and gives a better user experience.

You probably don't understand jailbreaking then.

 

[old-wiz]

Wrong question. The correct question is: Are you sure the jailbreak itself doesn't include a backdoor for hackers to take over your phone? And are you sure the Chinese hackers who sell .....
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You worded my question better than I did - I was really thinking the same as you - a backdoor in the jailbreak itself..

 

[Apollo 13]

It all seems very dodgy to me.

My feeling is that if you are the type of person that feels like you want to jailbreak an iPhone, then the iPhone isn't really the phone for you. Buy an Android phone instead.

Personally I like being inside the vetted App Store which has advantages for security and gives a better user experience.

you are clueless then....Jailbroken iphone > rooted android any day of the week.

 

[Am3r1ca16]

heh heh, and this is one of the more stupid statement of the day. The question is not why or how much the jailbreak developers make. The real question here is why would a company decided to pay a cool million (or whatever the actual amount turn out to be) to sponsor the jailbreak programming effort? What do the payer go out of your device when you install the jail break code? How much of your personal information are you willing to let someone steal it from your device? If you are over 18 and can not make the connection, I am afraid you really has no private information any more. And for those 8 people who rec your post, I think they have the same problem too )..

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And who would know that other than the hackers themselves? The motive is certainly suspicious and it is up to you to decide if you want to risk your device and your personal information.

Well jokes on you because I stopped jailbreaking after iOS 7. For what ever reason they decided to sell their jailbreak is really up to them. If you don't like it DON'T jailbreak. Easy as that nobody is pointing a gun at you and telling you to jailbreak. And if you really think you have privacy using your iphone hahaha you're so guillable. One of the most stupidest replies I've ever gotten.

Go make a jailbreak yourself if you don't like the one that's available.

 

[TallManNY]

Contract

Wow, Taig contractually agreed to not serve pirated apps. And these guys have the ability to litigate in China against Taig if they break that contract? Probably not. Taig will do whatever it wants to do.

 

[ScousePete]

A lot of armchair reporters and people on their high horses because of the Taig issue. But let's face it, EVERYONE who jailbreaks wanted this. Even through Cydia you can get access to pirated material. But nobody is in an uproar about that because it supplies what they need to enjoy jailbreaking their devices. The fact of the matter remains: the jailbreak is here. Use it if you want, don't use it if you don't want to. Stop trying to justify your lack of desire to jailbreak with an anecdotal opinion on the situation.

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