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Years ago Apple had no problem refreshing the iMac at least once a year, sometimes multiple times in a year as needed to maintain current hardware. Same for the Mac Pro, MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and even the Mac mini (though a couple times the mini fell behind by six months to a year, which back then was enough for people to speculate it was being discontinued). But in recent years the Mac lineup has been severely neglected with inconsistent and infrequent refreshes. A Mac mini from 2014 being sold alongside a MacBook Air from 2015 being sold alongside a MacBook Pro from 2018.

I started watching this event expecting to see Apple finally working on improving the frequency and consistency of Mac refreshes and the Mac lineup. We would get iMacs with 8th generation hex-core CPUs, and a Mac mini with 8th generation CPUs at the same time. The MacBook would be discontinued to prevent confusion, non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro refreshed with 8th generation CPUs, and a new Retina MacBook Air introduced to replace the MacBook and embarrassingly-outdated 2015 hardware at the same time. The only severely-outdated product left would be the Mac Pro, set to get a refresh next year.

But after the event, the portable Mac lineup is instead more confusing now than it has ever been at any point during the last 20 years. Different processor generations, different screen sizes, Touch ID or no Touch ID or Touch ID + Touch Bar, and plenty of overlap with the intended audience of each model. As someone who is more knowledgeable when it comes to Macs, I still need a guide to sort through this. Just can't imagine what kind of decision a novice user would be faced with here, especially a novice user on a budget faced with the higher prices of the new MacBook Air almost going into MacBook Pro territory.

On the desktop side, the iMac is still using processors from a year and a half ago. I simply can't recommend it to anyone when even the Mac mini offers better CPU performance with 8th generation hex-core i5/i7, but still has its own compromises (poor GPU performance, and of course no 5K display). Apple has had a year to engineer a new iMac with adequate cooling for the 8th generation CPUs, and already had the iMac Pro to start with, so there's really no excuse for not having some kind of refresh ready for the iMac by now. And $799 is not an inexpensive computer, why does the new Mac mini come with a low-end i3 processor when Apple could've made the i5 standard and i7 the next model up?

Tim Cook can brag about the Mac adoption numbers all he wants, but I just don't see Apple's commitment to the Mac returning to where it once was. Yes, the Mac mini and MacBook Air both got much-needed refreshes, which I was happy to see. But the continuation of inconstant refreshes and confusing portable lineup show the Mac is still being mismanaged and neglected by modern Apple.

(Sorry for the long post. Just hope I managed to get the point across.)

Nicely worded. My wish list for Macs would be a return of the 17” Pro, my first Mac as a college student years back.
 
Ugly gray and white covers for the 12.9. Gray and white for the 3rd year in a row. Dear Apple, can we have a few more choices. I mean it’s like watch bands for iPads. Lol... but really why the same boring colors?
 
Things Apple didn't announce in their presentation:
Anything useful at a reasonable price.
Seriously, a $4000.00 mac mini?!??!

Anything useful? Sure... If your idea of "useful" is only when it's fully loaded with a 2 TB SSD, 64 GB of RAM, and a processor upgrade.

Do you really think that's going to be Apple's average Mini customer looking for something "useful?"

Or might it be somewhere between $800 and $2K, depending on needs/requirements, for most people?
 
Things Apple didn't announce in their presentation:
Anything useful at a reasonable price.
Seriously, a $4000.00 mac mini?!??!

Oh come on, 0.0001% of Mac Minis sold will be maxed out at $4k. It's cool that Apple offers that option.

Why is everyone forgetting that the old $499 Mac Mini was a piece of garbage? It had a massively underpowered CPU compared to even every other Mac Mini in the lineup, as well as a 5400RPM spinning hard disk. I'm not even going to talk about the old IO - that's table stakes. A halfway decent Mac Mini was closer to starting $699 as I recall, and that still had a spinning disk.

These new Mac Minis will be available for $699 or less from 3rd parties within a couple of months.
 
I find it sad that $1200 is considered 'budget' for a notebook, especially one thats made from scrap and low-end components.
Maybe so, but with this model being the only one with normal keys AND TouchID, it is my next purchase
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Years ago Apple had no problem refreshing the iMac at least once a year, sometimes multiple times in a year as needed to maintain current hardware. Same for the Mac Pro, MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and even the Mac mini (though a couple times the mini fell behind by six months to a year, which back then was enough for people to speculate it was being discontinued). But in recent years the Mac lineup has been severely neglected with inconsistent and infrequent refreshes. A Mac mini from 2014 being sold alongside a MacBook Air from 2015 being sold alongside a MacBook Pro from 2018.

I started watching this event expecting to see Apple finally working on improving the frequency and consistency of Mac refreshes and the Mac lineup. We would get iMacs with 8th generation hex-core CPUs, and a Mac mini with 8th generation CPUs at the same time. The MacBook would be discontinued to prevent confusion, non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro refreshed with 8th generation CPUs, and a new Retina MacBook Air introduced to replace the MacBook and embarrassingly-outdated 2015 hardware at the same time. The only severely-outdated product left would be the Mac Pro, set to get a refresh next year.

But after the event, the portable Mac lineup is instead more confusing now than it has ever been at any point during the last 20 years. Different processor generations, different screen sizes, Touch ID or no Touch ID or Touch ID + Touch Bar, and plenty of overlap with the intended audience of each model. As someone who is more knowledgeable when it comes to Macs, I still need a guide to sort through this. Just can't imagine what kind of decision a novice user would be faced with here, especially a novice user on a budget faced with the higher prices of the new MacBook Air almost going into MacBook Pro territory.

On the desktop side, the iMac is still using processors from a year and a half ago. I simply can't recommend it to anyone when even the Mac mini offers better CPU performance with 8th generation hex-core i5/i7, but still has its own compromises (poor GPU performance, and of course no 5K display). Apple has had a year to engineer a new iMac with adequate cooling for the 8th generation CPUs, and already had the iMac Pro to start with, so there's really no excuse for not having some kind of refresh ready for the iMac by now. And $799 is not an inexpensive computer, why does the new Mac mini come with a low-end i3 processor when Apple could've made the i5 standard and i7 the next model up?

Tim Cook can brag about the Mac adoption numbers all he wants, but I just don't see Apple's commitment to the Mac returning to where it once was. Yes, the Mac mini and MacBook Air both got much-needed refreshes, which I was happy to see. But the continuation of inconstant refreshes and confusing portable lineup show the Mac is still being mismanaged and neglected by modern Apple.

(Sorry for the long post. Just hope I managed to get the point across.)

I wish I could give you more upvotes. You took the words outta my mouth.
 
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Wonder what happened to AirPower?

I know there were production issues and it is delayed, hope it is not cancelled entirely as I really want one, or two
 
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Definitely my favourite

The screen was really bright and sharp and the design felt so much more elegant and far ahead of anything else on the market at the time. Failing that, I wouldn’t mind a matte black MacBook Air similar to the iPhone 7 black as a kind of throwback to the MacBook C2D.
 
There wasn’t much of an option this year to upgrade the MacBook. It could have gotten Amber Lake, but that’s just Kaby Lake overclocked a bit (and people would have been complaining that the Air is “slower than the MacBook with an i7). My guess is Apple is waiting for Cannonlake next year for a proper refresh including Touch ID and maybe Thunderbolt.

There was option enough to put Amber Lake in the new MacBook Air.

That's actually a problem since there isn't much range in the Amber Lake line up either. So if both the MacBook (MB) and the retina MBA both have exactly the same processor what is the difference? Largely just weight. Well if the MacBook is comatose and Apple wants to sell lots more of the retina MBAs then MBs then the difference now is largely just weight also. And the MBs are even cheaper (for Apple) to sell since older stock components. ( MB is more expensive so know they are going to sell less so goosing the margins helps someones bonus evaluation in middle management.)

Intel's log jam on variations of 14nm process has the new stuff in limited supply ( Intel is fab capped at least until Q1-Q2 timeframe next year). So that is a contributing factor too. (small chance Apple is kicking the can on the MB update until the log jam uncorks more)

There is zero evidence Apple even has enough Mac resources assigned to move all the products forward at the same time. That's the third factor. There is no new MB probably because practically no one is working on it. That's primarily not Intel's fault.
 
The MacBook will still coexist with MacBook Air. Remember, the MacBook Air will not get any updates until who knows when. Hence, the price will drop as years go by. The Macbook however, will get more hardware updates.

Currently, it doesn't make sense but as the years pass by, you will see that the Air will get outdated, again.
 
I wonder why nobody is bragging about the non-serviceable storage of the new mini. I still have the quite modular 2-bay mini from 2012 and I would have sacrificed the second disk bay for a newer but still modular mini, but this? We already have to pay the Apple tax for the device, not gonna pay it for the basic RAM AND the fixed storage on top.
And I‘m in the same boat with the folks keeping their hopes up for a new iPad mini. Yes I get it, the new iPhone XS Max (lol) gets closer to its dimensions, but an iPad is an iPad and you can and will use it differently. And it‘s the only iPad that fits into a jacket‘s pocket, some jeans‘ pockets and the only convenient iPad suitable for cockpits.
 
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AMD announced mobile Vega and is intended for MacBook Pro 15 next month so assuming iMac will arrive for Christmas with this chip
 
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Apple held a second hardware-centric fall event this morning in New York City, where the company launched updated iPad Pro models, a refreshed version of the MacBook Air, and a new Mac mini.

Prior to the event, though, there were rumors suggesting we'd also see some other products that didn't end up making an appearance.

iMac

Rumors suggested Apple was working on updated iMac models with new processors, but it doesn't look like the iMac lineup is going to get a 2018 refresh at this point.

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There wasn't a lot of detail on what to expect from a new iMac, but Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo did say Apple was working on a version with an upgraded processor and a "significant display performance upgrade."

With no new iMac making an appearance at today's event, we don't know when we'll see an updated version.

MacBook

Prior to today's event, there was a lot of confusion over a rumored lower-cost notebook, which turned out to be a MacBook Air. It wasn't clear if the device would be in the MacBook Air or the MacBook family for good reason - it was rumored to be a 13-inch machine with a MacBook Air style design, a lower price tag, and a Retina display.

Those options turned out to be true, and the new MacBook Air is slimmer with thinner bezels, a faster processor, built-in Touch ID, and a Retina display, the feature previously differentiating the MacBook Air from the 12-inch MacBook.

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Now that this new $1,199 MacBook Air with 8th-Gen Intel processors, Touch ID, T2 chip, and a slimmer chassis exists, it's not entirely clear what Apple plans to do with the 12-inch MacBook lineup, which starts at just $100 more.

There were rumors the 12-inch MacBook lineup would also be updated at today's event, but it wasn't refreshed.

Is this the end of the MacBook? It's not clear what Apple has in store for its thinnest, lightest machine, nor when it might see an update. With faster 8th-Gen processors and a Retina display in the new MacBook Air, the only real distinguishing feature between the MacBook and the MacBook Air is the MacBook's smaller size.

iPad mini

Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said just ahead of Apple's event that a new iPad mini is in the works, but he wasn't sure if it would be included in the October 30th product unveilings. As it turns out, it wasn't, and if a new iPad mini is in development, there's no word on when we'll see it launch.

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AirPower and AirPods

There was some speculation that Apple could still debut the AirPower charging mat and compatible AirPods at its October event, but that didn't happen.

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We have no idea when we might expect to see the AirPower launch, if it is indeed still in the works, nor when Apple will launch updated AirPods. At this point, it looks like we may not see these products until sometime in 2019.

Mac Pro

We were hoping to get a little peek at Apple's work on its promised high-end high-throughput modular Mac Pro that Apple is developing for release in 2019, but it looks like we're going to have a longer wait to get our first glimpse at Apple's pro-focused machine.

Missing iPhone XR Cases and iPad Smart Covers

It's still not clear why Apple hasn't introduced cases for the iPhone XR, especially after mentioning special clear cases for the device in the iPhone XR press release in some countries, but following today's event, there's still no sign of Apple-designed iPhone XR cases.

Apple also did not introduce new Smart Covers for its updated 11 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro models, but there are new Smart Folio options and the new Smart Keyboard Folio.

Article Link: Everything Apple Didn't Announce at Today's Event
[doublepost=1540964999][/doublepost]They ALSO did NOT U P D A T E the entry-level Macbook Pro (no touch bar)
Probably replaced it with the new Macbook Air (i5 1.6).
 
Just speculation on my part but I think we did see the future of the MacPro.

In that there won't be a home button and it will support external displays? /s

I assume you mean some "stackable" setup with the mini at its core.

The Mac mini is an enthusiast computer, it isn't a workstation. It can't thermally scale up CPU to workstation class, eGPU are only suitable for some applications due to latency, cannot support multiple 5k displays, limited RAM bandwidth/no ECC options, etc.

If you are saying a pro Mac that leans on external expansion.. well yes, that was the idea of the existing Mac Pro trashcan model. The reason they never updated the current generation Mac Pro was that they built it around a specific idea of component balance (CPU and GPU) with highly concurrent workload running on both. Developers turned out to not really optimize for that workload, and GPU TDP didn't stay close enough to constant for them to be able to balance the (lets call it 'unique') thermal system.

The statement that they were building a more modular Mac Pro is around that issue - they will make a version where they could switch to a significantly higher TDP CPU (even say EPYC, hypothetically) and have multiple internal GPU options over its lifetime, and not have to do heavy/from-scratch redesign to make the cooling system work.

I suspect the internals will probably take cues from both the 2nd and 1st gen Mac Pros. For instance, there likely will be push to use thunderbolt for external devices like RAID storage arrays, but likely still an integrated T2-backed SSD just because that's the fastest storage option I know of on the market.
 
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iPad mini

Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said just ahead of Apple's event that a new iPad mini is in the works, but he wasn't sure if it would be included in the October 30th product unveilings. As it turns out, it wasn't, and if a new iPad mini is in development, there's no word on when we'll see it launch.

Gees, I could have told you that. Just saying...
 
iMac Pro equals no iMac. Mac Mini will replace the iMac basic. Offers more flexibility then an iMac, the iMac Pro meets the needs of All iMac users with the option of the Mac Mini to fill in the product line. Will see how it goes.


LOL. No, Apple is just waiting for the new screen update for the iMac to be ready. Not too far off now.
 
I disagree. The MacBook wasn’t updated since Amber Lake Y is just a clock speed boost over Kaby Lake Y. Everything else is identical.

Apple didn’t want the MacBook to be just as fast or faster than the new Air. My guess is that we will see a more substantial redesign of the 12” (such as a Thunderbolt port and Touch ID) next year when Cannonlake finally debuts in mass quantities. The 12” MacBook is still significantly smaller and lighter. Apple has skipped processor generations before, particularly small ones such as Kaby Lake Y to Amber Lake Y.

I agree. I think some of the old models (air, 10.5" iPad Pro) exist for now to form a base of the up-sell path, because it lowers the starting price but makes it compelling for people to buy the newer models.

But I think the only reason the MacBook wouldn't be killed off (or for this new Air to just be called the new MacBook) is that they have plans to continue on the MacBook line as an ultra-portable line.

There's also just the possibility that they weren't pushing to get it out before xmas, because they think an Air would be a by-far more popular gift.
 
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