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Apple is far behind Google when it comes to computational photography. It doesn’t matter what hardware they use, until they actually improve their software it won’t make a single difference.

I have the 14 Pro and hate how it crushes shadows and blows out highlights at times. iOS 17 has somewhat improved the processing as there’s less sharpening going on but it’s still nowhere close to what Google offers.
 
well, the Samsung S23 Ultra does NOT have OPTICAL ZOOM, its digital, it's fixed focal length

from Samsungs website:
Optical Zoom at 3x and 10x, Digital Zoom up to 100x

Huh? You're saying it doesn't have optical zoom, while quoting the website saying that it does have optical zoom.

The website is clearly showing two cameras one with 3x and one with 10x optical zoom.

The 100x zoom is digital, but they clearly say that in all of their marketing.

I think the point people are making is that Apple would need to at least match the 10x optical zoom of Samsung for the increased price they likely want to charge for the 15 Pro Max. But what people forget is that Optical zoom isn't always better if the lens is garbage and periscope lenses wouldn't be your first lens choice if your main goal is image quality.

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Apple is far behind Google when it comes to computational photography. It doesn’t matter what hardware they use, until they actually improve their software it won’t make a single difference.

I have the 14 Pro and hate how it crushes shadows and blows out highlights at times. iOS 17 has somewhat improved the processing as there’s less sharpening going on but it’s still nowhere close to what Google offers.
Yeah, this has been the case for years now. Apple does a lot of things right, but not alway best. The beauty with the iPhone is the complete package. It does some things well, some things superb, and very little if anything poorly other than total customization and multitasking. Then we get in to the Android vs iOS and how they operate on their hardware.
 
Huh? You're saying it doesn't have optical zoom, while quoting the website saying that it does have optical zoom.

The website is clearly showing two cameras one with 3x and one with 10x optical zoom.

The 100x zoom is digital, but they clearly say that in all of their marketing.

I think the point people are making is that Apple would need to at least match the 10x optical zoom of Samsung for the increased price they likely want to charge for the 15 Pro Max. But what people forget is that Optical zoom isn't always better if the lens is garbage and periscope lenses wouldn't be your first lens choice if your main goal is image quality.

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you are falling for their marketing ploy - read, it says 3x optical zoom, that is fixed lens. Zoom is described in s range so in this case it should say 3x to 10x optical zoom, but it doesn't. the zoom between 3x and 10x is digital.

15 ProMax is rumored to be optical, and between 5x and 10x - even if it is 5x or 6x, if it is optical, that's vastly better than what Samsung offers
 
You do realize there are already other cell phones with periscope lens. Apple is late to the game (as usual).
If all implementations of technology were identical you would have a point. Apple users expect Apple to make the most thoughtful and balanced design decisions. Since none of these features are ever really necessary (pro photographers have had these some of these features for years or even decades) for consumers, the only reason to get them first is bragging rights. But when you implement these features effectively, they are more than just something to brag about.
 
So wait…the iPhone 15 will have a better main camera sensor than the 15 Pro? What?? This make no sense.
I doubt that's what they'll announce, and we don't have the image sensor info for the 15. I'd love to have something the same between the two versions, and if it's one of the cameras this year, that would be a nice surprise. The base model won't have as good of a chip after all, and last year, they didn't make the 14 into an upgrade at all at the base level, which didn't help sales. Maybe they found a balance that will get pro and non-pro users to upgrade.

Assuming that all of the rumors are true, this will be an upgrade year for me. That won't be for the camera though, but for the other features with the base unit.
 
My brother was in the Navy on a submarine. They had the ultimate periscope cam system. 🤣. But alas, it’s difficult to have a submarine in your pocket here in West Texas.

I currently have the iPhone 14 Pro Max and I don’t even take that many pictures but I will get the 15 promax probably in blue because that’s what I do every year trade one in to help finance the next one it’s like a car lease. Hey, I enjoyed my phone more than I do my car, so 🤓
 
you are falling for their marketing ploy - read, it says 3x optical zoom, that is fixed lens. Zoom is described in s range so in this case it should say 3x to 10x optical zoom, but it doesn't. the zoom between 3x and 10x is digital.

15 ProMax is rumored to be optical, and between 5x and 10x - even if it is 5x or 6x, if it is optical, that's vastly better than what Samsung offers

You should probably go and try the S23 first yourself. It is using optical zoom at 3x and 10x.
If you zoom in and go to somewhere between 3x and 10x, the 3x lens will be used and cropped, as digital zoom.

It’s the same with iPhone models, and will probably be with the new one.
The technology is not there yet to have actually moving optics or sensors, except for some concept phones.
 
Main camera still using the same Sony IMX-803 image sensor found in the ‌iPhone 14 Pro.

I was planning to upgrade this year but if this is true I’m waiting one more year. Camera is by far the most important reason to upgrade for me. Getting an iPhone 16 Pro with periscope lens if I wait will be nice too.
 
Yea... I don't think any smartphone is going to be a game changer in the photography world. That is if we're talking about professional photography, not night shots of cats.
There’s a wide variety of use cases between those two extremes. A cell phone camera may not be able to duplicate what a high end DSLR can do, but as the years have gone by, their quality has steadily improved.

iPhone photographs and videos are now good enough for many amateur and even some professional applications. And, for ad hoc shots, even an inferior camera at hand beats a better one that’s not with you.

I’m looking forward to see what the iPhone 15 brings to the table.
 
Supposedly on the 14 Pro when taking 48 MP images, it’s a bit slow? (I can’t confirm this because I don’t have one). If so, is the slowness due to the main CPU (and software), or is it due to the sensor not being able to offload data quickly enough? I was hoping the 15 Pros could process 48 MP images as fast as 12 MP images. It will have a new A chip, but apparently not a new sensor.
 
you are falling for their marketing ploy - read, it says 3x optical zoom, that is fixed lens. Zoom is described in s range so in this case it should say 3x to 10x optical zoom, but it doesn't. the zoom between 3x and 10x is digital.

15 ProMax is rumored to be optical, and between 5x and 10x - even if it is 5x or 6x, if it is optical, that's vastly better than what Samsung offers

But no one is 'zooming' between distances in a still photo. User's don't want the option to 'switch to another telephoto lens', they just want to zoom into their shot. 3x telephoto is 3x zoom. 10x telephoto is 10x zoom. Anything in between is the same as shooting at 3x and then cropping the photo after it's taken, so from a user experience it's exactly the same result.

What Samsung says is correct. You can have 3x optical 'zoom' compared to the main lens or 10x optical 'zoom' compared to the main lens. In reality it's using a different camera, but from a user perspective, you're 'zooming' into the picture, and it is doing it optically which preserves the image quality over a 10x digital crop on the main camera. It's not a digital zoom on Samsung to go to 3x or 10x. It's optical because it's a different camera and a different lens.
 
The physical space needed, apparently.

Unlikely. Next year they will magically make it work.

They probably just can't get as many of them as they would need. They will already need a lot for the Pro Max alone.
 
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