Evidence for a new MBP in the VERY NEAR future

[tremendous]

The OP is getting confused. Your title should have been:

Evidence for new Vaio VGN-AR790 laptops which have a 2.5 GHz T9300 PENRYN processor in the very near future.

Good try though.

 

[davidec]

all those years Apple tried to claim G4s were faster than Centrinos were just laughable.

if you can't beat em, join em

 

[markrivers]

everybody can claim anything now.. just like how WE CLAIM that WE are the BEST nation in the world..

other countries don't necessarily have to agree with us.. but hey! we Can claim it!

 

[durant0s]

I just got off the phone with Steve Jobs, he said hes scarpping the MBP line, sorry guys.

 

[ageha]

Yes, as soon as Penryn is available in larger quantities, Apple will put them into MacBook Pro. There is no reason to not do so.

Maybe Apple doesn't care. Probably they get the old CPUs cheaper and they can save some money. They don't even advertise the CPU model numbers in their own shop anyway.

 

[aiterum]

I just got off the phone with Steve Jobs, he said hes scarpping the MBP line, sorry guys.

ask him if he got my cake

 

[Neil321]

i mean give this guy some slack... of course the fact that sony has penryns in the store has nothing to do w/ apple's release schedule. But that being said, the fact that these processors are showing up in stores means that availability is becoming less of a problem... which at least throws out the "penryn shortage" excuse for no updates...

They shall come soon

not a very good profit are you as all your posts to date are just spec & still the wait goes on

 

[HLdan]

Name the last time they skipped one. Go on.

I wouldn't say they actually skipped Santa Rosa however Apple certainly did not add SR to the Macbooks until way late. In fact when SR was released Apple released their new Macbooks within a month and they still had the Merom chip. They did this obviously to reduce the competition against the MBP. Later in the year the Macbooks were infused with SR. My point was Apple does not have to be on time with processor upgrades as this forum seems to think they do.
Any other challenges from you

 

[pointycollars]

3. Apple has made being able to say the MBPs are the best of the best part of its brand identity for the line.

This rarely ever translates to the most cutting-edge specs, though. In terms of hardware, Apple often lags a little behind the competition. This is actually one of the common complaints with PC users who want to switch, I hear it all the time - "why am I paying more for a slightly outdated computer?". I think their brand identity is built more on being the best of the best in terms of operating system, stability and industrial design.

 

[HLdan]

No, Apple clearly has no trouble touting outdated hardware as the "best of the best." They have no shame in that regard. They are happy to cite their hardware as "best in class" when everyone else has outpaced them by a mile (just look at all those years with the PB G4). The obsession with brand identity is one of the big problems with Apple. Of course, the other problem is that their computers are clearly in a distant third place on their priority list, well behind iPods and iPhones.

See the problem with your statement is that you are saying that unless the latest processor is inside the Apple Macintosh it's automatically outdated. That's ridiculous!
Then you go on and say other companies have outpaced them? How so? Just because a few companies already have the latest processor?

The G4 Macs just like the Intel Macs have always been ahead of the game for many reasons, Apple has always put features in their computers that PC companies purposely leave out to reduce longevity and to increase obsolescence in hardware.

Let's see what Apple has done with the Macintosh that PC companies trail behind.

Wireless
Bluetooth
Good quality plastics
All aluminum design
Backlit keyboards
Thin form factor
Ambient light sensors for screen and keyboard
Multi-touch gesturing
Environmentally safe construction

Apple was the first to implement every one of these features in their computers and still many PC companies have not implemented many of them such as bluetooth. You can still buy an expensive PC with no bluetooth and cheap plastic construction. Talk about outdated hardware. Do more homework in the PC world and stop making processor upgrades the only way to describe the latest hardware.

 

[ageha]

Good quality plastics
All aluminum design
Backlit keyboards
Thin form factor
Ambient light sensors for screen and keyboard
Multi-touch gesturing
Environmentally safe construction

That was funny. Are you working for Apple?

 

[HLdan]

That was funny. Are you working for Apple?

No, I'm just trying to point out that Apple's computers are not outdated and to bring some of the forum members out of their dream world that Apple's machines are far behind when they are not. You can't quantify up to date hardware soley on the current CPU it beholds.
This day and age I should be able to buy ANY Windows machine and it incorporates bluetooth so I can use my phone with it. But nope, some of the more expensive PC's still don't even come with it. To me that's outdated hardware when the computer is useless for my needs.
Having the most current Intel CPU is hardly going to be anymore useful than the previous as clock speeds and cache sizes are so minimal with change.

On a side note, I don't want work for Apple either, I hear Jobs' is hard on the employees.

 

[ageha]

Who cares about the bigger cache and few MHz? I just want more autonomy and that's exactly what Intel delivers with the new CPUs.

 

[Azmordean]

No, I'm just trying to point out that Apple's computers are not outdated and to bring some of the forum members out of their dream world that Apple's machines are far behind when they are not. You can't quantify up to date hardware soley on the current CPU it beholds.
This day and age I should be able to buy ANY Windows machine and it incorporates bluetooth so I can use my phone with it. But nope, some of the more expensive PC's still don't even come with it. To me that's outdated hardware when the computer is useless for my needs.
Having the most current Intel CPU is hardly going to be anymore useful than the previous as clock speeds and cache sizes are so minimal with change.

On a side note, I don't want work for Apple either, I hear Jobs' is hard on the employees.

Dude - I love Apple products. I was not dissing the product as a whole. They have huge advantages, which is why I own a 12" PB and a single 1.8 G5 tower, and will likely purchase a MBP to replace both when they update them. I was merely stating, that in terms of performance Apple frequently claims they are the best of the best when that is flat not the case. Apple has a semi-monopoly because a lot of people need a Mac or will only use a Mac, so they milk it by letting product lines go without updates a little longer than they should.

 

[ageha]

Who cares in the end, Apple fan boys are purchasing the producs anyway no matter what's inside.

 

[Stella]

Good quality plastics
All aluminum design

Aluminum isn't necessarily a good thing - it decreases wireless range.

Is the plastics that Apple use any better than other manufacturers?

Apple have a lot going for them. However, that list above, apart from the multitouch ( in one Apple laptop only ) these days aren't anything special.

Apple need to raise the bar again. You can't live on past successes.

 

[HLdan]

Aluminum isn't necessarily a good thing - it decreases wireless range.

Is the plastics that Apple use any better than other manufacturers?

Apple have a lot going for them. However, that list above, apart from the multitouch ( in one Apple laptop only ) these days aren't anything special.

Apple need to raise the bar again. You can't live on
past successes.

Then tell that to every PC company as that's all they do is live past successes.
The Macbooks like the iBooks and the new iMacs like the old iMacs have always used very durable and stable plastics. You can tell cheap from durable and most PC companies go the cheap route. You can deny it all you want to.

The multitouch gestures extend to all of Apple's notebook line but if you want to ignore that as a feature that's nothing special (when no one else is doing it) fine.

Based on your statement you seem to feel that Apple isn't doing enough for you so why not try the Windows world of notebooks if you feel they are doing more and Apple is behind them?

 

[jacjac3]

I am not as excited for the processor and much as a new gpu for the MBP.
8800 or 9series maybe!

 

[a456]

I just got off the phone with Steve Jobs, he said hes scarpping the MBP line, sorry guys.

Do you mean scarping:

verb [ trans. ]
cut or erode (a slope or hillside) so that it becomes steep, perpendicular, or precipitous.
• provide (a ditch in a fortification) with a steep scarp and counterscarp.

Or scrapping:

verb ( scrapped , scrapping ) [ trans. ] (often be scrapped)
discard or remove from service (a retired, old, or inoperative vehicle, vessel, or machine), esp. so as to convert it to scrap metal : the decision was made to scrap the entire fleet.
• abolish or cancel (something, esp. a plan, policy, or law) that is now regarded as unnecessary, unwanted, or unsuitable : the station scrapped plans to televise the contest live.

I think we need to clarify.

 

[Echinda]

OK, here is the proof you are all looking for. Actual proof that an update to the MBP is imminent if not occuring as I type.

I just bought a new MBP.

Given my past experience there is now a 100% chance of a major overhaul of the platform in the next 60 minutes.

(rationale - I couldn't wait anymore - needed one for work imminently and just couldn't bring myself to by a PC.)

And now I'm going into self-imposed mac rumor exile for the next six months as I have no desire to even know what I would have got if I had waited 58 more minutes.

 

[skiffx]

C'mon guys, you're being a little harsh. That is reaonably compelling evidence.

1. Sony is one of Apple's main competitors for the high end lap top market.
2. Sony is getting the T9300s into the retail channel now.
3. Apple has made being able to say the MBPs are the best of the best part of its brand identity for the line.
4. If Apple doesn't roll out T9300s soon, it will find it harder to support its chosen brand identity.

Therefore it's likely they will roll out T9300s soon.

The argument seems to hold together for me.

Completely agree with this, how can their flagship model lag behind dells, HPs, sony's etc?

 

[skiffx]

There's one main thing everybody has overlooked. Apple does not have to include every new processor from Intel in their line of computers. If Apple wants to skip Penryn or put it in maybe later say summer to fall then that's what they can do. And please don't say, "If Apple wants to retain customers they have to keep up with Intel's schedule because other companies are doing it". Apple's customers buy on Mac OS X and their good hardware, keeping up with the Jones' is Dell's M.O not Apple's.

Yeah however paying june 2007 market prices for hardware which is almost one year old would be kind next to a ripoff, and if apple wants to stay competitive and a market leader, they most definitely wouldnt skip the processor. It would be a no brainer for Apple's competitors to heavily market exactly that point, to take some market share away from Apple.

 

[skiffx]

'Evidence' is not the right word to use here.
It's more of an indication.
Remember is all about the brand. And the PB / MBP have always been promoted as the 'world best laptop'. It is impossible for to uphold that motto while the current MPB sports the Merom processor at the same time that competitors have Penryn based models sitting on the shop floor to ready to take home.
I think are hurting on this one. Delays and complications with fitting the processor in (remember the Santa Rosa platform in the MBP/MB is a modified one) have contributed to the delay of these machines. But I also think have been pro-active and have utilised the time to beef up some of the cosmetics / specs on the impending MBP.
I think they'll definitely be here by March the 17th and I think we will all be pleasantly surprised at their value/feature set.
This is what do best.

Right on the money

 

[durant0s]

Do you mean scarping:



Or scrapping:



I think we need to clarify.

scrapping sorry. guess the joke is dead at this point.

haha i had to edit cause i wrote 'scarpping' again, awesome.

 

[G.I. Joe]

...
I think they'll definitely be here by March the 17th and I think we will all be pleasantly surprised at their value/feature set...

Why March 17th? Everyone keeps on throwing dates for the launch but yet I see no evidence whatsoever. Please support your claim or this will be just adding more wood to this big speculation fire.

I for one have no clue when Apple is releasing the new MBP, I just hope it's very soon, that's it.