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They said specifically that a primary reason they removed it was because they didn't have enough room to engineer the other things they wanted to add to the phone. So the message would be that, they have more room on the Mac, so why not leave it a little longer, rather than include an adapter (which Apple acknowledges seems to be a necessity)? That takes "courage" too in light of the rest of their rationale.

On the other hand, I think they will replace it on the Retina MacBook.

Good points. I still remember them highlighting a old picture using headphone jacks. They should have headphone jacks in the new Mac's. There will be space for it.
 
Its a pretty add-on but it doesn't really innovate anything. Its not a better processor. Its not a faster GPU. Its not a more stable hard drive. Its a shiny gee-gaw that doesn't really bring anything new to the game. Certainly isn't a selling point for a professional or anyone serious about purchasing a powerful computer for their workload.

Also, didn't Wacom already have something like this on their Intros 4?
 
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Just because it's called "magic" doesn't make it so. Just listen to Tim's speeches, he says it, he doesn't make us feel it.

I love Apple. I hate what it has become.

I've been listening to/watching Apple keynotes for a long time. I really enjoy them, sometimes for their content and sometimes for the marketing absurdity of it all. (Craig Federighi is my current favorite. Hope we see him Thursday.) Johnny Ive commercials make me laugh out loud almost every single time. <smooth British account> "I think this design shows just how much we really care and how this is something only Apple can do."

I keep hearing people talk about the lost magic and all that with Cook and like things have changed so dramatically. It really hasn't except that Jobs was a significantly better showman than Cook. But cut through old keynotes and remind yourself about the Reality Distortion Field™. Steve Jobs is the very same guy that called the hockey puck mouse that came with the original iMac, "The most wonderful mouse you've ever used." Phil Schiller was still Phil Schiller in 1998. Watch the keynotes. They're on YouTube.

Magic is one of their... things (presuming this is the real name). The "Magic" Mouse came out in 2009 which Jobs was still there doing Jobs things. While it might be the first Apple Mouse that wasn't abysmal, "magic" is a bit of a stretch.

I pleased with initiatives under Cook: a focus on privacy, education, open-sourcing a fantastic new language, making ResearchKit open, Swift Playgrounds, etc. I get it, "Kaby Lake" is "real magic" but I think Cook gets jabbed really hard around here undeservedly simply because he has less stage presence. The same ridiculous things have been said by Apple since before Cook took over, but apparently the RDF™ really worked.

Jobs was the guy who kept a C2D in the 2010 13" MacBook Pro instead of the i5. Why? Because Intel Graphics sucked, so they stuck with an nVidia chipset because the OVERALL performance for MOST PEOPLE was improved. I keep saying but seriously... does anything here think Apple doesn't understand their majority demographics. They're not hugely successful because they don't appease the minority users that make up a huge portion of this forum.
 
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actually they do die, horribly. both my mom and my sister had hardware failures...

what kind of hardware failures? I have a 2007 macbook pro that still wont die. I know plenty of people who have had macbooks fail on them but after seeing how they used / treated them, im surprised they lasted as long as they did. Hard drive failures were the common thing but that was expected from people who use their computers on blankets, hamper baskets, keep them running inside of sleeves, drop them all the time, etc.

Regardless of brand, take care of something and itll last you a long time
 
Enough of this hyped up boondoggle. Whoop de do, its a few dynamically assignable hyper keys. Roll out the new chips and the TB3, but give us a few legacy ports. Remember when FireWire 800 came out and every machine kept FireWire 400 ports for years (and that's on top of the fact that FW400 can connect to FW800 jack with a passive adapter). Now we have TB3 rolling out and TB2 <-> TB3 requires a big ugly adapter. Please give us TB2 legacy ports! Please give us a few standard USB-A ports! Please give us an Apple branded TB3 hub! PLEASE axe the chin on the iMac! For god's sake bump the sad Mac Mini! We're trying to get real work done here!
 
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I really cannot wait for this thing to be released. My 2010 MBA and Sierra are just not getting along very well. Not only has it hit a new realm of slow, but the touch pad is non-responsive when I wake it from sleeping, forcing me to do a power cycle.
 
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what kind of hardware failures? I have a 2007 macbook pro that still wont die. I know plenty of people who have had macbooks fail on them but after seeing how they used / treated them, im surprised they lasted as long as they did. Hard drive failures were the common thing but that was expected from people who use their computers on blankets, hamper baskets, keep them running inside of sleeves, drop them all the time, etc.

Regardless of brand, take care of something and itll last you a long time
I had a 2007 MBP finally die on me this year. It was its second death, actually. The first time it died was a fried video card. I managed to scrounge a replacement motherboard out of a "surplus" machine, and it lasted a couple more years.

Cooling was an issue on these early Intel MacBook Pros. The fans really struggled, and as the machines age, the fans lose efficiency (or die completely), and when that happens, the CPU and GPU are ticking time bombs.
 
If Apple do decide to make the keyboard the same as that on the MacBook - i.e. with virtually no key travel, then they will have totally ****** the product. Magic Bar would become irrelevant if they use that awful keyboard - I just hope the rest of the market doesn't copy then and go down this route.
 
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"Magic toolbar"?

I suspect Tim might have been eating a trippy apple when that name was decided! ;)

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They might as well get Trump to introduce it: "Apple has the best magic tool bar. The best! It's magical! No one else in the world has it! It's that magical! It's gonna be the most magical toolbar in the world!"

...but Apple, please keep the headphone jack on the computers!

Best picture ever !!!!! lmao
 
Regardless of brand, take care of something and itll last you a long time

These damn Macs last forever. I'm typing this on a late 2009 iMac, almost 7 years old. My MBP is 2011. I have an MBP 2009 as well that's in daily use by a friend. I have a white iBook that's still running 24x7 as a server. It sucks, because it's difficult to justify an upgrade when your computer still operates.
 
These damn Macs last forever. I'm typing this on a late 2009 iMac, almost 7 years old. My MBP is 2011. I have an MBP 2009 as well that's in daily use by a friend. I have a white iBook that's still running 24x7 as a server. It sucks, because it's difficult to justify an upgrade when your computer still operates.

Agree, I am on a 2011 iMac and 2012 rMBP. I'd love to upgrade both, but both of them are fast enough for what I do. Maybe the rMBP needs a new battery in the next few months but other than that, I don't see why I would drop close to 5k to upgrade both.

Hell, even if I am to upgrade just one of them, I am having a hard time picking the one to upgrade...where is planned obsolesce when you need them?!
 
Even though you're responding to someone else's post, I want to chime in and say kudos for pointing this out. I'm *never* offended when someone corrects my grammar. If I make a mistake, it is better for someone to point it out in a constructive manner than for me to perpetuate that mistake for the rest of my life.

Alright, I'm done.

best way to learn....the one that drives me nuts is when people say "loose" or "looser" when they mean "lose" or "loser"
 
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A person wanting to use the Pencil is 'forced' to buy an iPad. It's a simple as that. Apple wants you to buy both.

And, if you're bringing up relics like the Apple //, you should be aware of Apple's design ethos. Letting each product do what it does best. You alluded to it yourself pointing the working surface advantage of an iPad.

Wow. Just... Wow. There are no words.

Without a computer, whether iPad or MacBook or iMac, the Pencil is useless. An iPad without the Pencil is useful, with it the iPad might be even more useful. Anyone who complains that they "have" to buy an iPad Pro to use the Pencil has got issues.

You've managed to completely blow off the point made in the post to which you're responding: which was that the argument that providing Pencil support in the MacBook Pro would kill the iPad Pro. Admittedly, that argument was matched for sheer pointlessness by Apple's marketing team back in the early '80s with the Apple// and Apple///. There is literally nothing new under the sun, it appears.

As for "Apple's design ethos", I'm very well aware of it, having worked in Apple engineering during the Apple][, Apple/// and early Macintosh days.
 
"Magic toolbar"?

I suspect Tim might have been eating a trippy apple when that name was decided! ;)

Tim-Cook-Biting-an-Apple--120859.jpg


They might as well get Trump to introduce it: "Apple has the best magic tool bar. The best! It's magical! No one else in the world has it! It's that magical! It's gonna be the most magical toolbar in the world!"

...but Apple, please keep the headphone jack on the computers!

Tim could buy Disney and rename Apple The Magic Kingdom.

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I'm just loving that concept. Remove the bezel and make it as small as possible ...

... for everyone else.

Then give me an identical version in a 17" format with two extra TBolt 3 ports, bigger speaker, and extended "Magic Toolbar!"
 
Wow. Just... Wow. There are no words.

Without a computer, whether iPad or MacBook or iMac, the Pencil is useless. An iPad without the Pencil is useful, with it the iPad might be even more useful. Anyone who complains that they "have" to buy an iPad Pro to use the Pencil has got issues.

You've managed to completely blow off the point made in the post to which you're responding: which was that the argument that providing Pencil support in the MacBook Pro would kill the iPad Pro. Admittedly, that argument was matched for sheer pointlessness by Apple's marketing team back in the early '80s with the Apple// and Apple///. There is literally nothing new under the sun, it appears.

As for "Apple's design ethos", I'm very well aware of it, having worked in Apple engineering during the Apple][, Apple/// and early Macintosh days.

Yes, I know what an iPad can do with and without a Pencil. But we're discussing someone who wanted a Pencil for multi-product use.
So how exactly have I blown off the point?
I simply assert that if Apple provides pencil support for the MacBook Pro, one is less likely buy an iPad since they have the best of both worlds (albeit less surface area to draw on).
By limiting support to only the iPad, it ensures an iPad sale versus a MBP sale.
 
Apple is completely wrong on their stance with the lack of touch screens on MacBook and iMac. Both should have touch screen interfaces to complement the keyboard and mouse.

Sure, I won't touch the screen for many things, keeping your arm suspended in the air is fatiguing, but to launch apps, move files around, browse the web, direct touch input makes sense and takes less effort than other inputs.

I hope Apple someday returns to this unanswered question.
 
Apple is completely wrong on their stance with the lack of touch screens on MacBook and iMac. Both should have touch screen interfaces to complement the keyboard and mouse.

Sure, I won't touch the screen for many things, keeping your arm suspended in the air is fatiguing, but to launch apps, move files around, browse the web, direct touch input makes sense and takes less effort than other inputs.

I hope Apple someday returns to this unanswered question.

Touchscreens don't belong on laptops.
 
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Looks interesting, but going to stick with my 2015 MBPr.

Mainly to see, after a replacement logic board and 2 displays, I can fulfil my goal of having the whole thing replaced in stages.
 
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