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KindredMAC said:
I don't get the 3 posts on here that say LCD's are better than Plasma...
I was at Best Buy on New Year's Eve Day to do some research on the differences between Plasma and LCD and I have to tell you that after I looked at every TV there, the Plasma's had the superior quality pictures compared to the LCD's at larger dimensions over 40".

No one has yet said why they think LCD's are better than Plasma's... It kinda sounds like the classic "Macs suck...my buddy said he knew someone who had one that crashed all the time."

All the LCD's I saw had horrible artifacting that was visible up to 5 feet away. The Plasma's had better color, better Blacks and Darks, and smoother motion. For my knowledge, I would love to hear someone's honest and real reasons they think LCD's are better.

Plasma have the better picture from the LCD at first, but the Plasma TVs use a chemical that has a half-life of 5 years meaning that the picture goes much sooner than the LCD. Simply put LCDs have a better and longer lifespan than Plasma. All this was part of my training at Sears and articles I've read online back this up. Another thing is Plasma are virtually unfixable if they break (at least for picture problems). With an LCD if the picture starts to fade replacing the bulb often fixes the issue.
 
Mechcozmo said:
Great... so now you have to upgrade your T.V. every 5 years when the CPU inside it isn't powerful anymore? At least the iMac is still useful for things... but a 42" T.V. is hard to use as a 'guest computer'.

If the CPU and TV were separate... maybe. But maybe I just need to get closer to the RDF?

If it's a TV and it still does the TV duties just fine, why would you have to replace it? This would replace your TV, not your computer.
 
I can't see Apple making a jumbo-iMac. It doesn't make sense, and it wouldn't sell very good. Something like the "iHome" would be more down Apple's alley.
 
A) yawn

B) if people get cranky about Intel being involved in motherboard design, surely they must be beside themselves thinking about Apple plasma displays, given that they would contain virtually nothing designed by Apple except the plastic frame.
 
BlizzardBomb said:
Nice find! This seems to good to be true! :p
And you know what they say about things that are too good to be true... ;)

I guess there may be some truth, and I don't want to be too skeptical, but has O'Grady ever been right about anything? Ever? Even stuff he gets from other places? This is why Apple hates rumor sites. In the unlikely event that it's true, we won't be surprised. In the more likely event that it isn't, or the specs are wrong, people will be disappointed. I'm waiting for all the posts about how Apple sucks because Steve promised a 50" TV.

(disclaimer: I love MacRumors because of the community, and occasionally the rumors... but I find as long as I recognize them for what they are, I am seldom as disappointed)
 
steeldrivingjon said:
A) yawn

B) if people get cranky about Intel being involved in motherboard design, surely they must be beside themselves thinking about Apple plasma displays, given that they would contain virtually nothing designed by Apple except the plastic frame.
As I recall, that only applied to Powermacs (for now).
 
EricNau said:
I can't see Apple making a jumbo-iMac. It doesn't make sense, and it wouldn't sell very good. Something like the "iHome" would be more down Apple's alley.

I don't know how Apple can deliver the full living room experience with a simple iHome by itself - the guy trying to hook it up to his 15 year old 20" TV won't get the same experience as the guy hooking it up to his brand new 42" plasma. I really can picture apple delivering the whole experience with an all-in-one or two-piece solution.
 
i think the display would simply be a unibranded accessory... and it may be that it will be wireless. so you have a VERY elegant solution form apple that i have been waiting on for years...

a box with HDTV/DVR/CABLE Card functionality with DVD and surround decoding that can also communicate with your mac if you don't have ALL your content on the box. ALL IN ONE COMPONENT (with a swappable DVD drive) and the display simply matches it and gets it's signal wirelessly. (and looks damn good in your living room. the only other component you would have to have is your reciever.

would be a bonus if i could play my world of warcraft in my livingroom on the same box!

If apple did this right it would sell so hard. download straight to the box, simplify the livingroom and do what others have still not managed... a seemless entertainment center. It could even have a dock for your iPod with your music on it.

AWESOME i say bring it on. my 2500 or so is waiting.
 
technocoy said:
i think the display would simply be a unibranded accessory... and it may be that it will be wireless. so you have a VERY elegant solution form apple that i have been waiting on for years....

I picture a single cable between display and a small box that provides power and video to the display. Box has all of your cpu,optical, and inputs, etc. Box is upgradable down the road when new cpus/interfaces/features become available as to not make your expensive display obsolete.

So package is:
Display
Box
2 cables (power to box, box to display)
Remote
Wireless keyboard and mouse (optional)

That's pretty darn simple...
 
wow. this is huge. literally. i would love to have one of these. imagine 50 inches of apple plasma. sounds delicious.
 
think different

I am inclined to believe that Apple has not given up on it's quest to continue with the innovation and revolutionizing the entertainment industry.

1) - People saying "the price is too high, this is a BS rumor". Well, you know... the price is just a rumor as well. Jeez. Using one rumor to discount another?

2) - I agree that it does not make sense for apple to add DVR to something like this unless they intend to stop selling TV shows on iTunes. Hey, who knows?

3) - It's a rumor, and very far fetched at that. I like the theory of how great it is to have one "red herring" rumor like this, which means that some of the others are more likely to be true ;)

However!!-
BOY is this device an interesting concept! Think about what it could do for the industry. Look at the effect the iPod could be theorized as having on the music industry. This seems to be essentially a big'ol "TV iPod thingy" (um... but a little less portable). Making it a "50" imac" seems doubtful.

You must be blind if you don't think it's glaringly apparent that Apple realizes the value of establishing themselves as far more than just a computer company.
Before this iTV (?) rumor I was wondering "so where's the innovation? Where's the Vision? Where's "think different" this year?"

"we can do it, we have the technology"
Apple has the resources to implement something like this. Take a look at their technology and current software + the money from all the iPods. Sure, it's a risk. But I think that Apple of all companies has the balls and brains to be able to A) - realize if it was even remotely practical, and B) shape it into a successful product ("solution" is better way to describe it).

Another bit of fuel to the fire is this: look around at everyone else (ie. the competition). What are they doing? Mind you I am no expert, but they seem to be tripping over eachother in the race to release an online music download (video?) service to compete with iTunes. Sure theres talk of "home media centers" all over the place as well.

I find this a fun thought: So, we have this battle for 2nd fiddle to iTunes, and all these rumors about Intel. Apple, not content to revolutionize the industry by developing displays for iPod shuffles or iTunes phones :) , could have been masterminding this new paradigm shift for years now. All the pieces are (or may soon be) in place to implement this concept. I always had this "weird more-than-meets-the-eye feeling" with the iTunes music store - especially when FrontRow and the iTunes video content was announced.
1) - FrontRow is cool... but ain't it a little much for a computer?
2) - iPod video is cool, but Apple has to realize that "video on iPod" is not where it's at.
== Both of these, as well as the iTunes video service just *scream* "field trials".

That's all I have. Sorry, too much coffee today :)
Still rumors, but, hey, isn't that why we're here?

Cheers,
-TC
 
blakbyrd said:
You guys think that maybe two rumors are benig squished together?

Maybe we're getting to lcds, and then, an "iHome" type device? :)

I suppose ihome + ihdtv. Speculating furthur on a stand alone monitor, I'd say it would
have only two connections-power and hdmi, in keeping with apple. All other connections would be on the ihome. They wouldn't throw all of the connection on the monitor because they want people to buy the matching ihome too.
 
Well, this has got to be the best rumor so far. This would truly send consumer electronics into a tizzy. I hope this one come true. :D
 
Misinformation

angelwatt said:
Plasma have the better picture from the LCD at first, but the Plasma TVs use a chemical that has a half-life of 5 years meaning that the picture goes much sooner than the LCD. Simply put LCDs have a better and longer lifespan than Plasma. All this was part of my training at Sears and articles I've read online back this up. Another thing is Plasma are virtually unfixable if they break (at least for picture problems). With an LCD if the picture starts to fade replacing the bulb often fixes the issue.

I've never seen more misinformation. This is typical of the "sales training" that takes place at many big box retailers.

Some newer plasmas have panels with a 60,000 hour 1/2 life. Do the math, I'd buy a set that reaches it's half brightness level after 20 years of use 8 hours a day....would you? I've also been servicing plasma, DLP and LCD sets for the past three years....with the exception of a failure of the glass, plasma sets are VERY easily serviced...virtually no different than LCD in that respect.

Take some time, go to a specialty store, and get some truth. Look at LCD & Plasma sets side by side with a 480i or 480p signal. In most cases, a quality plasma set will outperform the current LCD offerings out there. And remember, buy tools, not TV's at Sears.
 
Can you imagine Steve keynoting this?

"Apple has become known for its outstanding engineering -- we've shrunk entire computers into cases that are two inches thick. We've made mp3 players that will rest in the palm of your hand. But now Apple is about to do something really, well, big."

Say hello to the cineMac, my friends ...

Macworld can't get here soon enough ...
 
OK, lemme get this straight. Apple's gonna announce a massive plasma display with a processor and running tiger? Sounds like a SuperiMac to me. Ya woulda thought that Apple would go to like 23" or 30", but jump straight to 42"? Kinda fishy to me. I call a neutral. Ya heard it here first. Talking about big displays, I wonder what would happen(let's assume this is true) if we went back to 1-29-84 and told everyone that in 22 years, there would be a 50" flat panel display going for roughly the original Macintosh price. I think. I'll be back to revise if needed.
 
steeldrivingjon said:
A) yawn

B) if people get cranky about Intel being involved in motherboard design, surely they must be beside themselves thinking about Apple plasma displays, given that they would contain virtually nothing designed by Apple except the plastic frame.

A) The rumor says these will be machines running OS X, even if (by default) lacking a keyboard and mouse. Far more than mere "displays."

B) Apple already sells displays and people seem OK with that.

C) Aluminum ;)
 
Makes sense to me...I see it happening.
Bigger screens with wireless technology from your apple computer. Has to happen.

1- Dell is creeping into their LCD sales. So expect a price drop there and maybe a better technology to thier LCD's to get an edge. SED sounds about right for thier larger monitors. Not sure about thier LCD range.
2- itunes and thier video content has to be easier to view on your TV. No burning to a dvd blablabla...Hence...have all your video's on your HD and access them from your Apple viiv TV. And I don't see why they would'nt make it easy to upgrade the cpu's etc from the tv..cmon.
3- Final Cut Pro Extreme. Pro users out there want to see thier work on a huge TV. Even when edting etc. Again without having to put it on a removable media and going to a seperate device to play it. AND at 4k res for film.

I see it satisfying 2 markets really. The tech geeks who like to have all their audio and video stuff merged and easy and sleek to see and experience...and the pro users wanting to see thier work in all it's glory.
I also see those huge monitors having a bulit in mac computer solely for getting into itunes buying content and viewing it all in one. Something to the effect anyway.

ONLY THING IS...I don't see why they would release it at Macworld and not at NAB where the hard core video pro's would be interested in hardware for thier FCP setups. PLUS there's no live feed for Macworld and this would be something Steve would want to show to people LIVE. It's a big thing....one that he would want to show off in a bang with live video.

I see it happening...(selling audio and video content is what is driving this baby-so there's no question about eating into another products sales.)...only question is...when it will happen.

:)
 
Insanely GREAT!

What interesting times we are living in. This is the most aggressive I have seen Apple. It remindes me of when I was younger when The Apple II was king.:)
 
yoda_four said:
As I posted last night in MR's rumour roundup:

He also mentions that Think Secret is set to report this story shortly.

Please note: I assume that O'Grady simply read the AI thread, added some mumbo-jumbo about AirMac (which is what Apple's names AirPort over in Japan), put in Plasma tech, and made it his own with some stupid fictional story.

Actually ... I linked Jason O Grady (powerpage) and Nick Ciarelli (think secret) together on my site last year at Rumor Time. So it's proably a shared source between the two ... but that said ... PowerPage posts anything for hits.
 
smooth operator said:
Makes sense to me...I see it happening.
Bigger screens with wireless technology from your apple computer. Has to happen.

1- Dell is creeping into their LCD sales. So expect a price drop there and maybe a better technology to thier LCD's to get an edge. SED sounds about right for thier larger monitors. Not sure about thier LCD range.
2- itunes and thier video content has to be easier to view on your TV. No burning to a dvd blablabla...Hence...have all your video's on your HD and access them from your Apple viiv TV. And I don't see why they would'nt make it easy to upgrade the cpu's etc from the tv..cmon.
3- Final Cut Pro Extreme. Pro users out there want to see thier work on a huge TV. Even when edting etc. Again without having to put it on a removable media and going to a seperate device to play it. AND at 4k res for film.

I see it satisfying 2 markets really. The tech geeks who like to have all their audio and video stuff merged and easy and sleek to see and experience...and the pro users wanting to see thier work in all it's glory.
I also see those huge monitors having a bulit in mac computer solely for getting into itunes buying content and viewing it all in one. Something to the effect anyway.

ONLY THING IS...I don't see why they would release it at Macworld and not at NAB where the hard core video pro's would be interested in hardware for thier FCP setups. PLUS there's no live feed for Macworld and this would be something Steve would want to show to people LIVE. It's a big thing....one that he would want to show off in a bang with live video.

I see it happening...(selling audio and video content is what is driving this baby-so there's no question about eating into another products sales.)...only question is...when it will happen.

:)



I kinda sorta agree with most of that except I believe Pro's still like sitting in a desk chair with a nice LCD in front of them while designing the next great thing..This view would tend to make one think in the line of a new LCD 30-42"..If anyone could do it it's Apple..

As far as a built-in O/S..it's possible and imho a possible given..60% chance at MWSF.

The price would be higher that "25.99" tho..Thats fer sher!.
If it has a HD,built in Airport(802.11n?),Bluetooth ( must be for the iPod remote ),Video card ( at least 256megs pci express 16x ) and "sound system" ( optical ins outs etc..) we're getting into the "35.99+" for the 42"..


The pros will be placated with the newer dualies coming for the desktop later on.
 
Let's connect the dots...

- Rumors about Apple making a spin-off company...

- Rumors of a HDTV-based iMac-like concoction...

- VIIV

If anything Apple would create an add-on to your TV, not a whole no computer around a TV. That's just so... so... Dell and Gateway! :eek:

A few more days...
 
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