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At the price point mentioned, its doable. However, it wouldn't be all that impressive. It would have to be a mid to lower quality set with mac mini computing. Which, frankly, doesn't sound very Apple-like to me, quality-wise. But it does make a lot more sense to have frontrow running on something other than a 20" imac screen. I still giggle about the idea of an imac sitting in the middle of a living room where a tv should be.

And to the posters talking about how huge 50" is, it isn't. Its about average for hdtv. What a lot of people seem to forget is that it is widescreen. A 50" widescreen displays about a 41" conventional picture. Throw in the fact that in actual volume, a dlp, plasma, or lcd display takes up a lot less space than a 32" tube set. And, since resolution and detail is much higher, viewing distance is closer with hd sets. That is, people tend to sit closer. Trust me, a 24" widescreen tv is ridiculously small for a living room. The viewing distance is about 3-4 ft. 37" is about as small as you would want to go. If you don't believe me try watching a dvd on an iMac from 15" away. Or, considering this is a rumor for a computer/tv, try reading macrumors on an iMac screen from 15" away...

As for plasma vs lcd. There is a lot of old information floating around. While true that plasmas will degrade over time, gradually fading, it has improved. I believe that new generation plasmas last 7-10 years. Which, frankly, is plenty long enough in the hd world. Not to mention the computing world. The days of having a set for 20 years is pretty much over, imo. Also, this degradation is very gradual... if you have the set in your living room, you probably won't notice it. Of course, if you put a 5yo set next to a brand new one, the difference would be clear.

Having said that, plasma offers certiain things. One, much better color/saturation. Two, much better black/contrast levels. Generally, a good plasma approaches the "smoothness" or "film-like quality"of a high quality crt. Three, cheaper than lcd at larger sizes. The reason for lcd costing exponentially more as the sizes get larger is due to the glass and relatively low yields.

And lcd panels have their own set of problems. They have relatively poor black level. They have the screen door effect(due to pixel spacing). They have motion artifacts. The viewing angles aren't the greatest. And they are expensive.

btw, I have no bias for either technology. In fact, I actually prefer lcos or dlp over both plasma and lcd. Primarily due to cost and resolution.

Getting back to the rumor, it does make some sense. However, I'd much rather have a set top box. Its like the headless iMac debate. I personally have no use for an all in one solution, since I already have a perfectly adequate hdtv.

Finally, I loved the wawa reference. Got me all misty for the Delaware valley ;) . Wawa is so much better than 7-11. Its not even close.
 
so it's a living room mac with 42 and 50" screens

can you imagine how itunes tv shows would look on this? lol....

i wonder if they'll manage to get blu ray in there......


plus it's a lot of investment for an all in one........still would be cool

ipod brought 2" tv to the masses, and now this is poised to bring hdtv to the masses?
 
hifi4sale said:
I've never seen more misinformation. This is typical of the "sales training" that takes place at many big box retailers.

Some newer plasmas have panels with a 60,000 hour 1/2 life. Do the math, I'd buy a set that reaches it's half brightness level after 20 years of use 8 hours a day....would you? I've also been servicing plasma, DLP and LCD sets for the past three years....with the exception of a failure of the glass, plasma sets are VERY easily serviced...virtually no different than LCD in that respect.

Take some time, go to a specialty store, and get some truth. Look at LCD & Plasma sets side by side with a 480i or 480p signal. In most cases, a quality plasma set will outperform the current LCD offerings out there. And remember, buy tools, not TV's at Sears.

Whatever, I have no misinformation, you just can't read straight. Plasma's don't have 60,000 hour half lives, just life. Their half-live is a bit sooner than that, and once their dead, they're dead. I'm hoping you know the difference since it's your work field. And its only been the rather new plasmas that have gotten better life to them, but I'd still never buy one because they won't last in the market, and though you may work on them its harder to find repair shops for them. And yes like I said between a new LCD and new Plasma the plasma tv will look better, but that changes down the road. And yes buy tools at sears, and tvs when they're on sale. Just to note I haven't worked for sears for a while. I moved up from that.
 
iGary said:
People, Wawa is like freaking 7-11.

Is anyone taking this seriously, or am I just dense. :confused:


Couldn't agree more, why would some guy who works there know that info, and in such great detail. What a load...
 
I don't think so

The boxes for these things are huge! I can't imagine them carrying them at an Apple store. I just don't see how this is possible.
 
Lacero said:
Is this part of Apple's carefully planned invasion of the livingroom? See, all the more reasons I think 2006 will be the Year of the Livingroom.

This could be that 'one more thing' since every other rumor has been beaten to death. I'd be surprised if there isn't rioting in the streets, afterwards, with all the pent-up anticipation.

Here's to the Crazy Ones


Better not be. There are a whole heck of a lot of people out there already with TV and perfectly fine home theatre systems they are cutting themselves off from by providing monitor and VIIV system. This is no different then the thinking behind an iMac, just more expensive.
Personally? I'm not interested in this. I have a Toshiba 46" widescreen HDTV. I'm not going to spend that kind of $$$$ on a new TV 1 year after getting mine.
 
mashinhead said:
Couldn't agree more, why would some guy who works there know that info, and in such great detail. What a load...

The story is made up. None of this actually happened. it's just a story to present the information.

A few notes

- I'm aware of the discussion thread on AI.
- This was posted on Page 2 initially, but then moved to Page 1

As for feasibility, the following is PURE Speculation... an integrated media-center plasma running on OS X would be very interesting.

Here's the possibilities that you could expect from such a device. And such a device might be simply an appliance running a "stripped down" version of OS X. in that it won't have an OS X interface at all. Instead, imagine a souped up Front Row interface.

Features could include, buying it, plugging a CableCARD in, and watching TV, recording TV with DVR functionality, buying Music, TV shows and even Movies from iTunes, Sync your iPod and copy songs and even recorded shows to your iPod. Watch DVD's or Blu-Ray discs, watch Apple Trailers.

Why not a standalone box? Possibly the only way the industry would allow such a device would be if it could only transmit video through DRM'd connections... that means HDMI or UDI. That means if you don't have HDMI on your current TV (which most people don't have), you could not buy a Set Top version of it and connect it. Perhaps this would be why Apple is offering a complete solution (Plasma and set top in one).

This theory , of course, does not fly in the face of Intel's plans to release a large amount of Viiv platform devices which are presumably compatible with most regular TVs.

Still, it's all kinda out there for Apple... but we'll see on Tuesday.

arn
 
interesting...

and if it's that price for the 50" i'm going to get one.

i still think it's unlikley, but as well pointed out, sketchy details of a new market for apple (ipod fashion), it could prove to be a hit if true. nowhere near ipod like, but you never know.
 
I suppose Plasma pannels didnt reach a resolution higher than 1920 x 1080.
Am I wrong? Then why should we have a plasma with lower resolution than 30 inch cinema display?
 
stephenli said:
I suppose Plasma pannels didnt reach a resolution higher than 1920 x 1080.
Am I wrong? Then why should we have a plasma with lower resolution than 30 inch cinema display?

Cause you don't need as high resolution to watch TV as you do when you use Photoshop.

arn
 
hahahahha.

If it's real, yes, it is possible for 50" LCDs to exist, no I don't think they'd be called Cinema Displays unless they were monitors first, TVs second.

I believe sharp manufactures a 50" LCD, and so that's very possible. Actually, scratch that, Sharp makes a 65" LCD too.

When I first thought about Apple making a TV i thought WTF that's.. why?!

But hey, Front Row babeh!

Call that sucker the iTube :D Or iPod TV or whatever the F, give it the front row interface and not 1, not 2, but 3 PCIe based HD capture devices, 2 with built in decoders/encoders to handle the bulk of the media handling as to offset the CPU and still allow as many tuners as desired. The 3rd tuner would be a simple HD tuner meant for video games and such with no lag.

Have a network jack and built in airport, machine automatically comes up on computers running iTunes on said network so that you can access its video collection from anywhere in the house.

The beauty of a TV like this is it can be done without having YET ANOTHER STUPID SET TOP BOX. All ya gotta supply is the tuner or box or whatever you wish to use, if any.

With a heavy internet sync influence, your mac would still be the digital hub and the TV would merely be a fork of it, sorry folks, no stupid dock port on it, thank goodness for that anyway.
 
angelwatt said:
Whatever, I have no misinformation, you just can't read straight. Plasma's don't have 60,000 hour half lives, just life. Their half-live is a bit sooner than that, and once their dead, they're dead. I'm hoping you know the difference since it's your work field. And its only been the rather new plasmas that have gotten better life to them, but I'd still never buy one because they won't last in the market, and though you may work on them its harder to find repair shops for them. And yes like I said between a new LCD and new Plasma the plasma tv will look better, but that changes down the road. And yes buy tools at sears, and tvs when they're on sale. Just to note I haven't worked for sears for a while. I moved up from that.

Did you read what I wrote? I was speaking for newer panels...and sorry, but you're dead wrong, more than one of the glass manufacturers are building panels with a 60,000 HOUR HALF LIFE. Did you ever think maybe things in the consumer electronics field would change once you left Sears? This is my business, and thank you, I do know it. We can all thank the great folks in the Sears electronics department for your "excellent" training and uninformed opinion. Nice try.
 
Plasma

I heard Sony is no longer make Plasma tv becoz it is not reliable and it doesn't last that long. They are only making LCD now...Why would Apple makes jump in to Plasma?:confused:
 
I would much prefer for Apple to introduce a nice 17" and maybe 19" or 20" displays, all widescreen, of course, and match the current style. Possibly making a 15" display would even be a good idea. I feel that Apple needs to have some displays that compliment the Mac Mini and give an option to people who don't want a large, expensive display. I think the 15" display would be adopted my the few businesses that use Macs for us in a POS or for users who just use their mini to browse the web, etc. Too many people have to resort to using Dell monitors. With all the crazy price guessing going on about Apple's suspected products at MWSF, I think $249 for the 15", $299 for the 17", and $399 for either a 19" or 20" model. What do you think? Good price points for some quality Apple displays? Think this is even remotely possible or even a good idea?
 
kaneda said:
I heard Sony is no longer make Plasma tv becoz it is not reliable and it doesn't last that long. They are only making LCD now...Why would Apple makes jump in to Plasma?:confused:

Sony left the plasma market because they could not remain competitive from a price standpoint. They are refocusing energy on LCD with a multi-billion dollar joint venture with Samsung.
 
No way this is true.

Apple has not gone into the TV space....front row is little more than a skin for itunes/quicktime and iphoto.

There are many, many technical issues to work out to make a media center system. For one, HDTV tuner cards are not that mainstream right now and Apple has not even started working with these. It would make so much more sense for them to start out with a base system that has a TV tuner, but HDTV is a ways off for broad distribution. It would not be worth Apple creating something that most of the market is not ready to adopt. I for one, would love to have something like this, but I dont even have HD...all of a sudden, Apple would not just be competing with MS, google, Yahoo, etc., but now also with every major TV brand available...

Secondly, why would apple tie themselves to a particular technology for the living room. This is a major purchase at 3000 dollars, and most people are not convinced that plasma is the way to go. From what I am seeing, DLP is making major inroads into the living room. People are not all that concerned with a media center, they just want to see their football game in HD.

Finally, this "solution" sounds way too comprehensive. So many issues still need to be worked out. Apple likes to start with the base peices and make them as good as possible and then slowly build up a comprehensive system.
 
Mr. Anderson said:
And a 42" Plasma from Apple for only 2599 with all that added extra stuff? I don't think so.
People bought the original 22" Cinema Display for $3,999. $2,599 for a 42" flat-panel with a built-in Mac computer to handle Front Row 2.0, etc would be a steal. Apple could pull this off. Steve Jobs likes to take big risks, and I bet if he thought he had a winner, he would try to secure as many plasma or LCD panels as he could get his hands on.

Here's to the Crazy Ones
 
Lacero said:
People bought the original 22" Cinema Display for $3,999. $2,599 for a 42" flat-panel with a built-in Mac computer to handle Front Row 2.0, etc would be a steal. Apple could pull this off. Steve Jobs likes to take big risks, and I bet if he thought he had a winner, he would try to secure as many plasma or LCD panels as he could get his hands on.

Here's to the Crazy Ones

Id sooner believe in an Apple "smart-car" over this crazy rumor
 
angelwatt said:
And its only been the rather new plasmas that have gotten better life to them, but I'd still never buy one because they won't last in the market, and though you may work on them its harder to find repair shops for them. And yes like I said between a new LCD and new Plasma the plasma tv will look better, but that changes down the road.

Yeah, it's harder to find servicecenters for Plasmas than LCD's. This is too good, where do you get your material?

By the time, you've "replaced" the cfl in your LCD 6 times, a quality plasma panel will be reaching it's half life.

I hope you reply, I'm sure you have some more great info. for everyone here.
 
Inherent problem with a 42" plasma for this application

First of all I don't believe any of this will happen, but if it does, I will happily eat my words.

However, should this rumor come true, there is no way that a 42" plasma will be involved. Every 42" HDTV plasma on the market today has a resolution of 1024x768 pixels in a display with a 16:9 screen aspect ratio. A quick calculation will show that the only way this can be is if the pixels are rectabgular in shape. They would have to be wider than they are tall. This would make a computer display look as if it were stretched wide, as the Mac display assumes square pixels. This isn't an issue with 50" plasmas, as they have a resolution of 1366x768, which does give you square pixels.

"Why doesn't Apple just make their own custom plasma?" you may ask. That's because there are only two (maybe three) manufacturers of plasma screens (the actual glass part of the plasma display) in the world, and they are not going to make a custom resolution plasma screen just for Apple.

And for the record, new HDTV's are being announced at the Consumer Electronics Show as we speak. LCD HDTV's are readily available up to 46". Common LCD TV sizes include 26", 32", 37", 40", 45", and 46". Plasmas are available anywhere from 37" and up. Common plasma TV sizes include 37", 42", and 50". The only displays that have this issue of non-square pixels are the 37" and 42" plasmas.
 
Diatribe said:
Hehe, good one. :D

I don't know if I'd buy one... how's the life span of plasmas these days?

If you watch tv for an average of 8 hours a day, a plasma can easily last you over 15 years. Most plasma sets today have a rated 40,000 to 60,000 hour life.
 
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