Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[AJAAY]

Well, I got the 14 PM and this time I didn't even give the PWM a chance to get me because I was instantly put off by the size. I have no idea what changed this time from my release day experience but it just felt too 'in my face'. I did have some discomfort behind my eyes while setting it up but that could have been from anything. It is already boxed up and now I am seeking a 14 Pro.

I can understand in many people's situations, their hands have a difficult time using the 6.1" one handed so in theory, if you like the larger screen and don't mind the heft, you may as well go big since it will be a two handed device regardless which you use. For me, with these big mitts, I can type one handed without issue on the PM, but I have to shift the phone to reach the top. With the 6.1", I can reach all four corners with ease using the pinky-cradle grip. So, I will try the 14 Pro and if it doesn't work PWM wise, I will use my 11 (with new screen and new battery) for another year.

Yes, I tried to bench press and do some bicep curls with my 14PM. They are heavy and when you add a heavy case, no more need for the gym! I'm a phablet/big screen aficionado, and I've come to realize the 6.1 screen is just too small for me.

 

[jm31828]

Wow, didn't know that so I'm glad I swerved it. Even the 2020 11" iPad Pro had very high PWM and that strained my eyes.

Oh really? Interesting- notebookcheck said the 2020 11” iPad Pro (m1) had no pwm- were they off base on that?

Edit:
Sorry, it’s the 2021 that has no pwm.

 

[jm31828]

The price increase in the UK has put the M2 iPP 11" into the "it ain't worth that much" column for me. Thats why I'm holding for a refurb M1 11". Otherwise I might seek a deal for a M2 MBA next year. Now using my funds to treat my parents to some new Apple hardware this Christmas (as their current is getting old).

Where have you landed on your Apple gear this year. Back on your 11?

New m1 iPad Pro 11” are on sale for $699 at a few retailers now here in the States. No pwm, it seems really intriguing if I were to stick with my SE3 phone!

 

[happy orchard]

Oh really? Interesting- notebookcheck said the 2020 11” iPad Pro (m1) had no pwm- were they off base on that?

Edit:
Sorry, it’s the 2021 that has no pwm.

I just looked. notebookcheck also says NO PWM for the 2022 version.

Anybody tried either of these????

I'm pinning all my future iPad Pro hopes on this thing when my pre-mini-LED 12.9s don't work anymore.

 

[jm31828]

I just looked. notebookcheck also says NO PWM for the 2022 version.

Anybody tried either of these????

I'm pinning all my future iPad Pro hopes on this thing when my pre-mini-LED 12.9s don't work anymore.

I am SO tempted to pick up the m1 11” while it’s on sale…

 

[jm31828]

So, I went to the Apple Store last night thinking I would try a 14 non pro… but I looked at the 13 mini and couldn’t resist the smaller size.
So, I picked one up.

I absolutely love the size!!
I used it for about a half hour last night, and so far for an hour or so tonight. No issues at all so far- other than the dry eye sensation I was getting with my SE 3.

I have brightness set just above the little sun icon, with reduce white point set at 50%.

So… I really like my SE, only went out looking for another phone because I thought the dry eye feeling was specific to the SE, but it seems to just be a thing I’m going through, regardless of screen type.

Anyway- the return window on the SE closes Sunday… I bought it from my carrier with a $50 off voucher, so it was really a cheap phone that I truly love.

I’ll keep testing out this phone (the 13 mini) for the next few days- but I seem ok with this one, and will ultimately just have to decide based on features rather than eye comfort, since so far both seem equal in that regard.
Never thought that would be the case!!

 

[happy orchard]

So, I went to the Apple Store last night thinking I would try a 14 non pro… but I looked at the 13 mini and couldn’t resist the smaller size.
So, I picked one up.

I absolutely love the size!!
I used it for about a half hour last night, and so far for an hour or so tonight. No issues at all so far- other than the dry eye sensation I was getting with my SE 3.

I have brightness set just above the little sun icon, with reduce white point set at 50%.

So… I really like my SE, only went out looking for another phone because I thought the dry eye feeling was specific to the SE, but it seems to just be a thing I’m going through, regardless of screen type.

Anyway- the return window on the SE closes Sunday… I bought it from my carrier with a $50 off voucher, so it was really a cheap phone that I truly love.

I’ll keep testing out this phone (the 13 mini) for the next few days- but I seem ok with this one, and will ultimately just have to decide based on features rather than eye comfort, since so far both seem equal in that regard.
Never thought that would be the case!!

Not that I'm suggesting decadence, but could you keep both?

So you don't have to make a fast decision about the SE, and it can still be a 'cheap phone that [you] love'? Then if the mini doesn't work out or you just need/want to switch? Just switch out the sim?

 

[jimmy_uk]

That sounds like a nice thing to do with your funds. If you can’t enjoy the apples, it‘s nice that someone you love can.

Totally get you on the iPP 11 situation. I maaaay hold off because I don’t need it right now, and it might just be healthy to enjoy what I have.

…which brings us to phones.

I’m still experimenting. 🙂 But I’m doing better with the 14PM now that I’m not keeping max brightness and almost max RWP. Having RWP between 65-75% and letting autobrightness do its thing seems to help. That’s something I couldn’t do with previous OLED iPhones, so that feels like improvement.

I still make wishes in fountains every chance I get that I can find my way back to an LCD screen. And I still might return this 14PM, but I’m exhausted and struggle at the thought of returning yet another phone.

Definitely know that in future, I want to try to only try new phones during holiday return period because not stressing about figuring everything out in 14 days really helps the examination. And it feels respectful to Apple.

However, I still have my 11. That cliché about cold dead hands comes to mind.

Have you found a way to make your 7+ feel new again? Or made peace with it?

Sounds like you are making the 14PM work for you - so this being the case you have the best Apple has to offer.

Re: My 7 Plus - this thing is so slow, struggles on wifi and the battery is needing to be replaced again. It often locks up and starts to overheat which is concerning. I've found a retailer who has the iPhone 11 but my smart head says "you've been there, tried that" so I'm still chugging along until my 7 Plus breaks (but the 11 is now in my basket 🙄). The day it dies I'll be ordering an SE 2022 I guess.......

 

[jm31828]

Not that I'm suggesting decadence, but could you keep both?

So you don't have to make a fast decision about the SE, and it can still be a 'cheap phone that [you] love'? Then if the mini doesn't work out or you just need/want to switch? Just switch out the sim?

I could- but would feel bad about the money sort of wasted on a phone that is not really being used… but I could always keep both snd later on try to sell the SE- I’d probably lose a bit of money that way, though… but at least then I could really give the 13 mini a solid test drive during the long holiday return period.

 

[5105973]

Bingo!
Other contributors to this forum should be so wise

Well to be fair I’m a stay at home mom. Others here need these devices for their livelihoods. I have options many others don’t.

 

[now i see it]

so I'm still chugging along until my 7 Plus breaks

The end may be near. Better have a Plan B set up because likely you’re going to need it - soon.
I have a regular 7, a hand-me-down I got for free, and it’s the worst iPhone I’ve ever owned. Connectivity problems, weird behavior. In the USA there was a class action lawsuit over the iPhone 7 failures (Audio IC) that Apple apparently knew about before the units were even launched.
iPhone 7s (not necessarily the 7 Plus) are ticking time bombs. Their impending unfixable death is all but certain.

Get a newer iPhone you can tolerate — asap

 

[happy orchard]

Sounds like you are making the 14PM work for you - so this being the case you have the best Apple has to offer.

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Re: My 7 Plus - this thing is so slow, struggles on wifi and the battery is needing to be replaced again. It often locks up and starts to overheat which is concerning. I've found a retailer who has the iPhone 11 but my smart head says "you've been there, tried that" so I'm still chugging along until my 7 Plus breaks (but the 11 is now in my basket 🙄). The day it dies I'll be ordering an SE 2022 I guess.......

Okay this might be some of my 11 bias showing, but I say get that 11 while you can! Even if you only use it in emergencies. Even if you don’t love it. It’s a slightly bigger LCD iPhone—quite rare in the wild! Unless it’s a crazy amount of money.

Also, when I first got the 11-style, it was the XR and I hated it! I gave up my 8+ for this? Mad I couldn’t use the X or XS comfortably, I settled for the XR and its thick bezel. A year later I remember talking to a friend while looking down at it, saying, “I don’t know what happened. But now when I look at this thing, I kinda like it…almost love it. How did this happen?”

And we’ve had happy years since. I try the new OLEDs, manage some longer than others, but keeping coming back to the 11 and become happy again.

Just to say maaaaybe someday your distaste for the 11 will mellow.

So buy it while you can. The SE will be easier to get at in the near future.

Not sure what is the equivalent in the UK now…but here are my American two cents for you.

🙂

 

[happy orchard]

I could- but would feel bad about the money sort of wasted on a phone that is not really being used… but I could always keep both snd later on try to sell the SE- I’d probably lose a bit of money that way, though… but at least then I could really give the 13 mini a solid test drive during the long holiday return period.

Maybe consider the money you would “lose” in selling it as payment for mental peace…or time. The whole time being precious thing, right?

You are buying yourself time. Seems freakin worth it if you can afford it.

(Crikey. I’m going to run out of cents soon if I keep giving away these pairs of them.)

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

Okay this might be some of my 11 bias showing, but I say get that 11 while you can! Even if you only use it in emergencies. Even if you don’t love it. It’s a slightly bigger LCD iPhone—quite rare in the wild! Unless it’s a crazy amount of money.

Also, when I first got the 11-style, it was the XR and I hated it! I gave up my 8+ for this? Mad I couldn’t use the X or XS comfortably, I settled for the XR and its thick bezel. A year later I remember talking to a friend while looking down at it, saying, “I don’t know what happened. But now when I look at this thing, I kinda like it…almost love it. How did this happen?”

And we’ve had happy years since. I try the new OLEDs, manage some longer than others, but keeping coming back to the 11 and become happy again.

Just to say maaaaybe someday your distaste for the 11 will mellow.

So buy it while you can. The SE will be easier to get at in the near future.

Not sure what is the equivalent in the UK now…but here are my American two cents for you.

🙂

I second this. The first 3 times (yes, three 🤦🏻‍♂️) I tried the 11 I hated it and went back to my 8 Plus. About 8 months later I tried it one last time and something changed. I fell in love with it. That said, the text is not fuzzy to my eyes and I don’t find the display, despite the specs, to be inferior to the 8 Plus at all. So that is something I don’t have to worry about whereas Jimmy might not be able to get past.

I wonder though, if that would change and your eyes would adapt over a short period of time. I don’t miss what I don’t look at everyday. If I place the 11 side by side with a 14, I’ll instantly see the difference. But put me solely on the 11 without making constant direct comparisons and I don’t mind it at all.

I think it’s important to note that no matter how heightened our senses may be, whether it’s how a phone feels in hand, quality of the display, etc… there are concessions that will need to be made at this point. Maybe I’m a pessimist, but after speaking with my friend who works at Apple, there’s nothing that leads me to believe they are intentionally working to improve PWM. It’s a non-issue when selling 100s of millions of phones. I am not putting any hope in the 15 being any better. So I recommend to anyone to snag an LCD model that will be supported for several more years, before that option is gone forever.

 

[happy orchard]

I second this. The first 3 times (yes, three 🤦🏻‍♂️) I tried the 11 I hated it and went back to my 8 Plus. About 8 months later I tried it one last time and something changed. I fell in love with it. That said, the text is not fuzzy to my eyes and I don’t find the display, despite the specs, to be inferior to the 8 Plus at all. So that is something I don’t have to worry about whereas Jimmy might not be able to get past.

I wonder though, if that would change and your eyes would adapt over a short period of time. I don’t miss what I don’t look at everyday. If I place the 11 side by side with a 14, I’ll instantly see the difference. But put me solely on the 11 without making constant direct comparisons and I don’t mind it at all.

I think it’s important to note that no matter how heightened our senses may be, whether it’s how a phone feels in hand, quality of the display, etc… there are concessions that will need to be made at this point. Maybe I’m a pessimist, but after speaking with my friend who works at Apple, there’s nothing that leads me to believe they are intentionally working to improve PWM. It’s a non-issue when selling 100s of millions of phones. I am not putting any hope in the 15 being any better. So I recommend to anyone to snag an LCD model that will be supported for several more years, before that option is gone forever.

Yes yes yes yes!

 

[Chrispy]

I second this. The first 3 times (yes, three 🤦🏻‍♂️) I tried the 11 I hated it and went back to my 8 Plus. About 8 months later I tried it one last time and something changed. I fell in love with it. That said, the text is not fuzzy to my eyes and I don’t find the display, despite the specs, to be inferior to the 8 Plus at all. So that is something I don’t have to worry about whereas Jimmy might not be able to get past.

I wonder though, if that would change and your eyes would adapt over a short period of time. I don’t miss what I don’t look at everyday. If I place the 11 side by side with a 14, I’ll instantly see the difference. But put me solely on the 11 without making constant direct comparisons and I don’t mind it at all.

I think it’s important to note that no matter how heightened our senses may be, whether it’s how a phone feels in hand, quality of the display, etc… there are concessions that will need to be made at this point. Maybe I’m a pessimist, but after speaking with my friend who works at Apple, there’s nothing that leads me to believe they are intentionally working to improve PWM. It’s a non-issue when selling 100s of millions of phones. I am not putting any hope in the 15 being any better. So I recommend to anyone to snag an LCD model that will be supported for several more years, before that option is gone forever.

As someone who now owns both a XR and SE 2022, I'm fully onboard with this idea. We have to snag these LCD phones while they are still available. My XR will be staying in my collection forever. It's the phone I used the longest and we have a forever bond, haha. Plus it's comforting to know I have the XR as a backup LCD iPhone if I need it.

 

[WalterSobchak]

As someone who now owns both a XR and SE 2022, I'm fully onboard with this idea. We have to snag these LCD phones while they are still available. My XR will be staying in my collection forever. It's the phone I used the longest and we have a forever bond, haha. Plus it's comforting to know I have the XR as a backup LCD iPhone if I need it.

This 1000%

I’ll likely pick up a refurbed 11 64gb or a 2nd se2022 in a few months just to make sure I’m covered for the next few years without having any major concerns.

Having both the XR and SE2022 makes me appreciate them both so much more for their individual strengths and features.

 

[john g.]

Okay this might be some of my 11 bias showing, but I say get that 11 while you can! Even if you only use it in emergencies. Even if you don’t love it. It’s a slightly bigger LCD iPhone—quite rare in the wild! Unless it’s a crazy amount of money.

Also, when I first got the 11-style, it was the XR and I hated it! I gave up my 8+ for this? Mad I couldn’t use the X or XS comfortably, I settled for the XR and its thick bezel. A year later I remember talking to a friend while looking down at it, saying, “I don’t know what happened. But now when I look at this thing, I kinda like it…almost love it. How did this happen?”

And we’ve had happy years since. I try the new OLEDs, manage some longer than others, but keeping coming back to the 11 and become happy again.

Just to say maaaaybe someday your distaste for the 11 will mellow.

So buy it while you can. The SE will be easier to get at in the near future.

Not sure what is the equivalent in the UK now…but here are my American two cents for you.

🙂

Yep. The 11 is a workhorse

 

[jimmy_uk]

And would you take the 11 over the SE 2022 considering its now 3 years older (prices being the same for 128gb)?

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

And would you take the 11 over the SE 2022 considering its now 3 years older (prices being the same for 128gb)?

I personally would but it’s purely subjective:
1. I appreciate the larger screen
2. I like not having a dated design
3. Much prefer gestures to home button
4. The camera is my main priority and a phone with no night mode cannot touch the 11 or phones that have it

 

[happy orchard]

And would you take the 11 over the SE 2022 considering its now 3 years older (prices being the same for 128gb)?

Would I, yes? Is that the best way? Idk. I much prefer FaceID, the bigger screen, and the full screen. If the SE 2022 had white bezels, I might be writing this differently. So those things are personal preferences. Would I love to have a newer chip in this thing? Yes, oh darling, yes. For you, I was thinking how you like the bigger screen, so I thought you might eventually learn to love or at least live with the 11.

With all that said, I would get the 11 NOW while you can. I haven't seen any anywhere for months, so if I could find one, I'd probably get it as a backup. That's why I'm encouraging you now. Not that you should listen to me, just explaining why I'm encouraging.

 

[john g.]

And would you take the 11 over the SE 2022 considering its now 3 years older (prices being the same for 128gb)?

I would take the 11 over any SE model. Besides, they seem to be in demand or at least scarce, so if you got it and hated it you might not lose money trying to sell it.

 

[Chrispy]

And would you take the 11 over the SE 2022 considering its now 3 years older (prices being the same for 128gb)?

I would say the 11 is the better deal at the same price. The 11 gets the bigger screen, bigger battery, better camera and has the same 4GB ram as the SE. If you can get one now, I would grab the 11 over the SE price being equal. Unless you don't like the size, it's the better phone IMO. With the A13 and 4GB, I imagine Apple will be supporting the 11 for many years to come as well.

 

[jm31828]

I would say the 11 is the better deal at the same price. The 11 gets the bigger screen, bigger battery, better camera and has the same 4GB ram as the SE. If you can get one now, I would grab the 11 over the SE price being equal. Unless you don't like the size, it's the better phone IMO. With the A13 and 4GB, I imagine Apple will be supporting the 11 for many years to come as well.

The one thing the SE really has going for it is the A15 chip, being faster and more modern, so there would be a longer supported lifespan on an SE3 vs the 11.

And I thought the 11 only had 3 GB RAM?

Lastly, it depends on preference- some hate the size of the 11, with it being so big (I'm one of them). I really love the SE in comparison- and the Mini is actually perfect as far as screen size and overall device size- just wish it had an LCD screen instead. lol (though as noted in another post, surprisingly so far my new 13 Mini is not bothering me)

 

[Chrispy]

The one thing the SE really has going for it is the A15 chip, being faster and more modern, so there would be a longer supported lifespan on an SE3 vs the 11.

And I thought the 11 only had 3 GB RAM?

Lastly, it depends on preference- some hate the size of the 11, with it being so big (I'm one of them). I really love the SE in comparison- and the Mini is actually perfect as far as screen size and overall device size- just wish it had an LCD screen instead. lol (though as noted in another post, surprisingly so far my new 13 Mini is not bothering me)

The XR only got 3GB but the 11 got upgraded to 4GB. I think that's the biggest thing that got missed back in the day during comparisons of the XR and the 11. Most focused on the camera, but the real story was the RAM bump. Considering Apple stuck with 4GB as standard for a few years on the regular line, I think the 11 being at the early end of that jump up to 4GB will make it one of the longest supported iPhones ever.

But yeah, you have to be down with the chunky factor on the XR and 11, haha. They are most definitely larger than the regular 6.1" phones of today. And they make the SE feel downright tiny in the hand by comparison.