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I need to buy an iphone. I'm successfully using iphone 11 with latest iOS without any problems.
I am looking at either 12 or 13. Which one has higher changes of being better for the eyes? Do I remember well when I say that iphone 12 had no PWM at 100% brightness and adding a white point reduction made it usable? Iphone 13 I'd take for being newer and cinematic mode in videos.
From my experience none. Personally after trying all oled iPhones, 16 plus was the most tolerable.
 
I need to buy an iphone. I'm successfully using iphone 11 with latest iOS without any problems.
I'm using an iPhone 6s Plus on iOS 15 and I definitely don't need to or want to buy a newer (oled) iPhone. In fact, I also have an iPhone 11 on iOS 16 but I never use it. I much prefer the 6S Plus.

I don't think anyone really needs to buy a newer iPhone - they just want a newer iPhone
 
I don't think anyone really needs to buy a newer iPhone - they just want a newer iPhone
In a few short years this statement will no longer be true. I’m optimistic they’ll release a PWM-free iPhone 17, but what happens once they discontinue iPhone 11 and iPhone SE third-generation if there is no solution for those of us who do get the 24/7 PWM headaches?
 
I’m optimistic they’ll release a PWM-free iPhone 17
Not sure I'd be so optimistic. I asked Ross Young (the display industry analyst) about the perpetuated statement attributed to him regarding flicker free iPhone displays and he said he hadn't stated anything regarding it. So strike that particular aspect off my list.

If Apple does improve iPhone displays in the flicker department this year, the way I see it realistically going is it being improved without much fanfare, like the early MacBook Pro's with LED backlighting between circa 2008-2010.
 
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Not sure I'd be so optimistic. I asked Ross Young (the display industry analyst) about the perpetuated statement attributed to him regarding flicker free iPhone displays and he said he hadn't stated anything regarding it. So strike that particular aspect off my list.

If Apple does improve iPhone displays in the flicker department this year, the way I see it realistically going is it being improved without much fanfare, like the early MacBook Pro's with LED backlighting between circa 2008-2010.
It’s just been so long I would have absolutely expected them to do this by the time they released iPhone 12 at the latest.
 
Anyone having new problems on iOS 26? I think they changed something cause I was doing fine with my 16 until I installed this beta, now I can barely stand to look at the phone anymore :(

I'm gonna roll back to 18.5 but what do I do when they eventually force this update 😭
 
Anyone having new problems on iOS 26? I think they changed something cause I was doing fine with my 16 until I installed this beta, now I can barely stand to look at the phone anymore :(

I'm gonna roll back to 18.5 but what do I do when they eventually force this update 😭

Be like me and refuse to update past iOS 15 😂 I’m not surprised - they’re probably employing dithering to achieve the new design gamut, especially if you’re on an LCD iPhone. Wild that they’re doing that even on an iPhone 16.
 
Let me take a few quotes from notebookcheck reviews:

Iphone 13 PWM Detected: 610Hz

At the lowest brightness setting, the display exhibits a flickering that is indicative of PWM being used to regulate the display's brightness. However, just slightly increasing the brightness makes the flickering disappear. Regardless, we recommend sensitive users to take a look at the display before buying.
Iphone 13 Pro PWM Detected: 510Hz

Unfortunately, the OLED panel suffers from PWM flickering (flickering frequency at 10% brightness and below: 240 Hz; at above 10% brightness: 446.4-510.2 Hz). However, Apple has integrated a DC dimming mode into the iPhone 13 Pro. All in all, the iPhone’s screen does quite a bit to ameliorate the OLED flickering.
Iphone 14 PWM Detected: 60Hz

The display runs at 60 Hz at all the brightness levels we tested. This may be a problem for sensitive users, since the PWM flickering cannot be circumvented by choosing a higher brightness setting.
Iphone 14 Pro PWM Detected: 240Hz

Our oscilloscope reveals fairly calm cycling at a constant 240 Hz at minimum brightness and a frequency of a steady 480 Hz at above 39 % brightness, which is comparable to high-frequency DC dimming. This should reduce eyestrain for sensitive users.

Some users say that the Pro versions gave most issues, some say that the Pro are the best because of higher refresh rate. Some say the simple 14 was the best because of the 60Hz. I was wondering how was the experience around here on these models?
 
Let me take a few quotes from notebookcheck reviews:

Iphone 13 PWM Detected: 610Hz


Iphone 13 Pro PWM Detected: 510Hz


Iphone 14 PWM Detected: 60Hz


Iphone 14 Pro PWM Detected: 240Hz



Some users say that the Pro versions gave most issues, some say that the Pro are the best because of higher refresh rate. Some say the simple 14 was the best because of the 60Hz. I was wondering how was the experience around here on these models?

The first run of iPhone 13’s (the one I use) were superior and it’s agreed upon on many forums that it is probably the best OLED iPhone for sensitive users that Apple has made in recent years. I can’t use any of the new OLED iPhones but I use the 13 fine.

However, when the 13’s got a re-wave in 2023 as the new “budget” model, I compared my iPhone 13 to multiple ones at several stores and they were completely different screens from the phone I own. Uncomfortable. Now whether that has to do with the fact that my phone is on iOS 15 and the store models were on iOS 17 - who knows. A family member has the same iPhone 13 from the same era and it’s on iOS 18 and while it’s not *as* easy on the eyes as iOS 15, it’s usable, at least for a few minutes. It seems better than it was on iOS 17 at least.

I can’t imagine the 60Hz flickering on the 14 that then jumps to 240Hz past a certain brightness is going to be better. I didn’t know I even had a sensitivity until I tried upgrading to the iPhone 15 Pro and that’s how I got introduced to PWM, dithering, etc.

If you’re really set on buying an OLED iPhone, then your best bet is to try to find an older sealed 13 or try your hand at a few refurbished models to see if it’ll work.
 
I am at the 16 month mark with my 15 PM and thankful I am still able to use it without much issue. My eyes will get a bit fatigued when looking at it for more than 20-30 minute in bed before sleep but that is a bad habit anyways. Any other time it's been fine.

I tried every OLED phone from the X through 15 series and this has been the only model I can tolerate out of all the choices there have been. For me, I know have to personally try the phones because I see little rhyme or reason to the models that work for some and don't for others.

I don't foresee any material change to the 17 series from what's been done to this point. I would like to upgrade to the 17 PM because of the rumored camera improvements but I won't trade this 15PM in.....it's too big a risk for me. I tried a few other 15 PMs that didn't work out. This year I am dialed in on just the Pro Max so if it doesn't work for me I'll wait another year. I sure hope that some of the other long time sufferers can find a usable model this year.
 
Thank you all for your advices. 15 is out of budget and 13 will be bought used so high chances to get one with a proper screen. Or maybe I'll just try to find an 11 and go with it. Eyes are more important than devices. The only downside of 11 is weaker camera and probably no OS support from next year.

I was wondering, are there cases where user got permanent damage after using oled phones? I saw some reports that said they had problems focusing for a long time after not using the phone. I remember back when I was using pixel 4, I needed like 4 weeks for my eyes to relax again. Or maybe was just a placebo.
 
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I was wondering, are there cases where user got permanent damage after using oled phones? I saw some reports that said they had problems focusing for a long time after not using the phone. I remember back when I was using pixel 4, I needed like 4 weeks for my eyes to relax again. Or maybe was just a placebo.

Well that's terrifying. I've been having a lot of trouble focusing my eyes for the past few months and I just thought it was age or grogginess b/c it's the worst in the mornings, but I used my SE again for several days last week and it seemed to get a bit better. Didn't have to hold things quite as far away. It's coming back now that I've switched back my 16 though, getting tension headaches again too 🤬 You're right, no phone is worth your vision.
 
I'm using an iPhone 6s Plus on iOS 15 and I definitely don't need to or want to buy a newer (oled) iPhone. In fact, I also have an iPhone 11 on iOS 16 but I never use it. I much prefer the 6S Plus.

I don't think anyone really needs to buy a newer iPhone - they just want a newer iPhone
At some point, the bands will change and you will need a new phone or suffer dead areas and/or poor reception.

As a crude example, if you had a phone on Verizon CDMA, it won't work once Verizon turns off CDMA.
 
I just broke my SE 2022. If they can't repair it, I don't know what I'm going to do. :(

Edit: Apple was able to replace it. :)
 
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I was wondering, are there cases where user got permanent damage after using oled phones? I saw some reports that said they had problems focusing for a long time after not using the phone. I remember back when I was using pixel 4, I needed like 4 weeks for my eyes to relax again. Or maybe was just a placebo.

Yep, scroll back through my messages and you'll see my full story.

I now suffer from NDPH diagnosed by my neurologist (I have this for life)

Ironically I am sat in his waiting room right now to discuss an appointment to have 30+ botox injection into my scalp in the hope that it relax's pain receptors in my brain.
 
Rumours of an anti glare/reflected screens on the Iphone 17 pro's.

Wonder if this might help some of us (clutching at straws I know)
 
Rumours of an anti glare/reflected screens on the Iphone 17 pro's.

Wonder if this might help some of us (clutching at straws I know)
I suspect it will be more like the iPad Pro's nano texture display option and will do nothing for PWM or temporal dithering. It might work marginally better than a matte screen protector.
 
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Well that's terrifying. I've been having a lot of trouble focusing my eyes for the past few months and I just thought it was age or grogginess b/c it's the worst in the mornings, but I used my SE again for several days last week and it seemed to get a bit better. Didn't have to hold things quite as far away. It's coming back now that I've switched back my 16 though, getting tension headaches again too 🤬 You're right, no phone is worth your vision.

I have had this issue recently, too. It came on after I tested the 13” M2 MacBook Pro Touchbar that was recommended. I thought it may have been a coincidence…I only used the device two days in a row for 20 minutes. The Apple Silicon GPU dithering causes tachycardia - I can feel it when I enable/disable dithering with Stillcolor. I have POTS and dysautonomia, though, so I am pre-disposed to nervous system issues.

Do you occasionally get slight dizziness when looking down at a screen and then looking up or away? I’ve gotten that after having the flu in January. Wondering if I got reinfected with COVID recently and that’s playing a role, too, as my issues get worse with viral infections. I think the focusing issues is triggered by dithering.
 
Anyone with experience of the 2025 Apple iPad 11"?

LED backlit Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology, True Tone display.
 
I have had this issue recently, too. It came on after I tested the 13” M2 MacBook Pro Touchbar that was recommended. I thought it may have been a coincidence…I only used the device two days in a row for 20 minutes. The Apple Silicon GPU dithering causes tachycardia - I can feel it when I enable/disable dithering with Stillcolor. I have POTS and dysautonomia, though, so I am pre-disposed to nervous system issues.

Do you occasionally get slight dizziness when looking down at a screen and then looking up or away? I’ve gotten that after having the flu in January. Wondering if I got reinfected with COVID recently and that’s playing a role, too, as my issues get worse with viral infections. I think the focusing issues is triggered by dithering.

Yeah that does happen sometimes, I also get random dizzy spells that seem to coincide with days I use my phone a lot. I 'm 99% sure I have POTS too, I have no insurance so I can't get checked to be sure but I have all the symptoms. Sigh... I'm so tired of playing whack-a-mole with this issue. Every new phone and iOS version is a gamble :/ I'm still having the eye focusing problem even after rolling back to iOS 18 on my 16. I might have to switch back to my SE for good, then once it's no longer usable, get a Chinese phone or something.
 
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